I'm resigning from my job at Facebook • Hacker News Board

Re: I'm resigning from my job at Facebook

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Post by cycloptic » Thu, Jun 04, 2020, 3:51 PM UTC

artsyca wrote: post #311

cycloptic wrote: post #185

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How many times have people at these companies tried to "manage up" from within and it didn't work? I honestly lost count by now. This will continue as long as there are enablers on the other side who keep offering to foot the bill in exchange for the lion's share of management's attention. I see this quite often. As a rank-and-file employee, there comes a point where a lot of people have to cut their losses and reali…

Totally agree but there are many people there now who could use his help to fight for what they believe in. He's not just one guy trying to get some hair brained initiative passed. Our problem is we seek acceptance and agreement too much and don't fight for what others believe in on principle. We're all to blame but now we have one less person who can do anything about it. Look at the world from the outside in for on…

The peers are all jockeying for the same limited number of promotions. I don't know what the solution is, but protesting won't resolve what is fundamentally a conflict of interest.

Re: I'm resigning from my job at Facebook

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Post by A4ET8a8uTh0 » Thu, Jun 04, 2020, 3:52 PM UTC

yogthos wrote: post #397

A4ET8a8uTh0 wrote: post #386

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My comparison holds. Alcohol is bad for you too with extensive research confirming that. As for fascism, you may be right in principle, but in practice the word has become associated with 'things I do not like'. Not completely unlike, say, anti-semitism ( though that one is holding up a lot better in comparison ). All I am saying is, think of your audience.

Your comparison is the definition of a false equivalence fallacy. And words have meaning, and the fact that many people in US don't understand what the fascism means is not a reason to stop using the term. This simply shows the need for education.

Umm. Language is not an immutable construct. It evolves. I can agree that words have meaning that has certain amount of life in it. For more recent example, think of how word gay changed.

We use words to communicate. If you use words that are misunderstood by your potential audience, is it their fault for having different internal definition of a word or yours. You are trying to traslate your world into theirs.

edit: phrasing of gay word example

Re: I'm resigning from my job at Facebook

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Post by sys_64738 » Thu, Jun 04, 2020, 3:54 PM UTC

I'm sure you'll survive. But most other companies don't have ad dollars fueling your 500k$ salary so you might need to look for a few bucks less.

Re: I'm resigning from my job at Facebook

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Post by thrownaway954 » Thu, Jun 04, 2020, 3:57 PM UTC

ogre_codes wrote: post #145

thrownaway954 wrote: post #82

this dude is just being an attention grabber now. yesterday he posted to linkedin and now today facebook. what's next? a frontpage ad in the nyt or a billboard in times square? great... you quit your job on your beliefs, who really gives a sh*t.

A big chunk of any protest is getting your voice heard. So yeah, he's trying to grab attention. That is entirely the point here.

more of a kid crying that he doesn't like the way things are than a protest in my book, but your entitled to your opinion.

Re: I'm resigning from my job at Facebook

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Post by pedro_hab » Thu, Jun 04, 2020, 3:57 PM UTC

kemitchell wrote: post #385

pedro_hab wrote: post #376

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I don't think you understood my comment, I am not condoning death penalty, or the police using deadly force in situations where it is unnecessary. I am saying that Trump statements seem reasonable in what outcome we may have. Looting may escalate to shooting, the reactions to this statement seem too extreme to me.

I believe I did understand your comment. Getting shot for looting is not how our society works.

By bad for not being clear, but it is in fact how our society works.

You may end up being shot while looting, it's a valid warning, and people did get shot.

Looting it's a messy situation, may escalate to a fight with police or the store owners, its totally within logic someone could get shot.

I am not american, nor do I live in the US, but I think the shop owner its 100% within his right to defend his property.

I also made an edit to my top comment btw.

Re: I'm resigning from my job at Facebook

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Post by vmception » Thu, Jun 04, 2020, 3:57 PM UTC

pc86 wrote: post #328

vmception wrote: post #294

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yeah the property is unfortunate, but why are police killing citizens with little accountability? thats the focus here, don't get it reversed

Luckily most of us have the ability to focus on as many as two things simultaneously. You can be in favor of protesting in general, these protests specifically, and still have a problem with seemingly random destruction of innocent people's property. I hate whataboutism as much as anyone, but just as insidious is the same mental failing on the other side of the spectrum where you're "not allowed" to look at anything…

Yes, we are able to.

Many of us are choosing to separate the looters from the protesters, primarily because there is accuracy in that, and there is no need to dilute the message.

We are choosing to reframe the "its bad he died, whats up with the property damage" to "the property damage is bad, lets fix why he died", to make the message and focus less diluted.

And for people that aren't in that particular filter bubble and gravitate to focusing on ways of discrediting the civil unrest, I will help reiterate the message of how to realign that focus.

Re: I'm resigning from my job at Facebook

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Post by macspoofing » Thu, Jun 04, 2020, 3:59 PM UTC

daleharvey wrote: post #380

macspoofing wrote: post #189

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I don't follow Candace Owens so I can't speak to that, but Ben Shapiro has been very sympathetic towards justice for the murder of George Floyd and calling on the cop to be punished - pretty much daily since the video came out. Why would you say he's trying to discredit George Floyd?

The Ben Shapiro video was the one title "destroying liberals" arguing against women being able to access healthcare / have abortions, the Candace Owens one was talking about how George Floyd wasnt a martyr. Ben Shapiro's twitter is predictably a constant stream of ridiculing the protests, that isnt being sympathetic towards justice for the murder, thats just saying something obvious that people have to agree with you…

>Ben Shapiro's twitter is predictably a constant stream of ridiculing the protests

I don't follow his twitter, but, at least on his radio show, he criticizes rioters and looters and takes care to differentiate them from protestors. I think that's fair. Rioting and looting is not the same as protesting.

Re: I'm resigning from my job at Facebook

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Post by Stupulous » Thu, Jun 04, 2020, 4:00 PM UTC

satyrnein wrote: post #197

rufusroflpunch wrote: post #63

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So true. I realized recently that social media makes me think that I hate people that I actually like! You get a quick hit of superiority, but it's the problem the most effective tool I've ever seen to divide us.

Did you get a quick hit of superiority when you agreed that "those" people are stupid, or did you consider that divisive?

From this thread it would appear that one is either a hypocrite for complaining about something they participate in or arrogant for complaining about something they don't. Here, both.

It seems like a needless exercise to classify which type each person is. We can just take both cases with a grain of salt, address their points skeptically, and move on from doing psych evals on a couple sentences about something else.

Re: I'm resigning from my job at Facebook

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Post by yogthos » Thu, Jun 04, 2020, 4:00 PM UTC

A4ET8a8uTh0 wrote: post #402

yogthos wrote: post #397

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Your comparison is the definition of a false equivalence fallacy. And words have meaning, and the fact that many people in US don't understand what the fascism means is not a reason to stop using the term. This simply shows the need for education.

Umm. Language is not an immutable construct. It evolves. I can agree that words have meaning that has certain amount of life in it. For more recent example, think of how word gay changed. We use words to communicate. If you use words that are misunderstood by your potential audience, is it their fault for having different internal definition of a word or yours. You are trying to traslate your world into theirs. edit:…

Language is not a immutable, however the problem in US is precisely that people don't understand what fascism is. You have literal fascist organizations, you have white supremacy, you have tight coupling between the government and the military industrial complex, and so on. Everybody else in the world understands this, and it's time for people in US to start understanding what's happening in their country.

Re: I'm resigning from my job at Facebook

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Post by 0-_-0 » Thu, Jun 04, 2020, 4:03 PM UTC

bananamerica wrote: post #360

0-_-0 wrote: post #324

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This might be overly cynical, but it might be possible that he was already thinking about leaving his job, and now found an excuse to do it in a way that potentially gets him more LinkedIn profile views and thus a better next job (he does end his message with advertising himself)

This is overly cynical and also quite far fetched.

Is it though? Let's do the math:

Number of Facebook employees: about 45k. Let's say half of them work in the US (20k). Let's assume people tand to stay at a job for 5 years on average and think about leaving for 6 months before they leave. That means there are 2000 Facebook employees thinking about leaving right now.

Now, what is the probablity that if someone is already thinking about leaving they would take advantage of this situation? Let's give Facebook employees the benefit of the doubt and say that only 1% of them would do such a thing. That means we should expect to hear from about 20 Facebook emloyees making socal media and LinkedIn posts about them leaving Facebook citing policy as a reason while just taking advantage of the situation. Is it really far fetched to say that this guy could be one of them? If anything I would expect 19 more posts like this!