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Re: I'm resigning from my job at Facebook

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Post by ollerac »

krzyk wrote: post #282

So he doesn't believe that one should be able to protect their property? If looting is not the one that should be discouraged with shots, then what about rape? If that also not, then where it starts? How do you stop looters? Asking nicely? Mob has its own personality and it doesn't have conscious. I don't like current US president (BTW I'm not US citizen, nor do I live there), but that quote wasn't the one people sho…

This is a culturally important moment in which people in all 50 states are holding valid, peaceful protests in response to centuries of injustice.

And we have a president who is not only unwilling to listen, but encourages division and hate on a daily basis.

When he says "when the looting starts, then the shooting starts" he's encouraging a general atmosphere of unrest, fear, and vigilante justice against all protestors, not just violent ones.

You'll notice he didn't say, "looters and violent individuals only will be subject to violence in return." He's saying once the protests even have a small group in them that disregards the law, then the entire protest is invalid. and he's okay with people participating getting killed even if they're not the ones looting.

I think, in order to understand just how much hatred and division he's sewing on a daily basis, you have to understand how many of his supporters have guns, are open to conspiracy theories and violence against fellow citizens, and are intolerant of people of different races.

There is a mature and masterful way of handling civil unrest on a national scale. This isn't it.

Re: I'm resigning from my job at Facebook

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Post by jimmaswell »

neves wrote: post #296
ordinaryradical wrote: post #8

He’s standing up for what he believes. You can disagree with his convictions, but you should admire anyone who risks personal and financial consequences for sticking to their guns. That’s what actual morality is—not just a “belief” that is talked about but acted upon even when the results will be costly.

It's the right thing to do. Facebook won't change by inside. Zuck will change his behavior when he feels the pain in his pocket. Every decent person must quit now. Quit. Now.

Everyone who thinks noteworthy public statements shouldn't be removed is a bad person according to you?

Re: I'm resigning from my job at Facebook

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Post by kinkrtyavimoodh »

xphilter wrote: post #344
kinkrtyavimoodh wrote: post #283

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That IS what it is doing. The content you see on FB is posted by other humans, not by some 'algo' on FB.

That’s not true at all. The content is filtered out according to their algorithms. They ditched the “see everything your friends are doing” feed a long time ago. Even the group and friend suggestions are tailored. https://about.fb.com/news/2018/01/news-feed-fyi-bringing-peo...

Reranking content does not mean FB is the one producing it out of nothing.

Secondly what ranking you see is largely influenced by what you and your friends engage with.

Re: I'm resigning from my job at Facebook

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Post by Consultant32452 »

It amazes me that people haven't caught onto the shtick yet. Trump keeps doing this to them over and over again. Trump takes some popular position and exaggerates it or maybe just plainly takes the position a little too far. And then his opposition, who reflexively just put a negative sign in front of everything he says, come out strongly against the popular opinion. "Propagation of weaponized hatred" is lunacy. At worst it's an exaggeration or slight overstep of the popular mainstream opinion.

People want the police to come in and stop the looting and burning of small businesses. Seeing people calling these peaceful protests while there's literal burning cars in the background is the most Orwellian thing I've ever seen. And when you point that out you get the "just a few bad apples" argument, which makes it even more hilarious.

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Post by kemitchell »

pedro_hab wrote: post #376
kemitchell wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In general, the death penalty does not apply to property crimes as such. In practice, the system executes convicted criminals almost exclusively for murder. And our Supreme Court has prohibited capital punishment even for appalling violent crimes, like adult rape. Police use-of-force policies---however otherwise flawed---limit deadly force. State laws vary as to when and how private citizens may defend themselves wit…

I don't think you understood my comment, I am not condoning death penalty, or the police using deadly force in situations where it is unnecessary. I am saying that Trump statements seem reasonable in what outcome we may have. Looting may escalate to shooting, the reactions to this statement seem too extreme to me.

I believe I did understand your comment.

Getting shot for looting is not how our society works.

Re: I'm resigning from my job at Facebook

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Post by A4ET8a8uTh0 »

yogthos wrote: post #371
A4ET8a8uTh0 wrote: post #288

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uhh. I dislike FB as much as next poster here, but I cannot explicitly state that FB does not benefit society. In a sense, it might be closer to alchohol. It might be ok in small doses, but too much of it will mess you up. Also, I would hesitate using term 'fascism' on US oriented forum. As arguments go, the label has become largely meaningless.

There is literal research showing that Facebook is harmful to mental health https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/sex-murder-and-the-m... Facebook also has a long history of meddling in elections and actively promoting far right groups. Meanwhile, fascism is absolutely not a meaningless label, and it's literally what's happening in US right now. Trump’s own former defense secretary just compared him to the nazis ht…

My comparison holds. Alcohol is bad for you too with extensive research confirming that.

As for fascism, you may be right in principle, but in practice the word has become associated with 'things I do not like'. Not completely unlike, say, anti-semitism ( though that one is holding up a lot better in comparison ).

All I am saying is, think of your audience.

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Post by syshum »

xphilter wrote: post #162
syshum wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

See you have a healthy respect for the idea of free expression, as do I Unfortunately we are in the minority, the majority wants SOMEONE ELSE to choose what they can see, what is the "good speech" and what is the "bad speech" They want someone else to tell them what the "good things" are they should be supporting, and what the "bad things" are that they need to oppose In short, people no longer want to think critical…

I honestly don’t understand how this ignorant of a comment still gets on HN. What y’all are talking about is “The Internet” where all the trash and racist are free to make whatever content they want. What everyone else is talking about is private companies that publish trash based on recommendation engines, timeline visibility algorithms, sharing functions, and whole other bunch of programmed ways to “increase engage…

I am well aware, see you are upset that facebook is not filtering "the correct way", and facebook is promoting "the bad things" from your POV, and not promoting the "good things" from your POV.

My statement is Facebook should not be doing any promotation at all, and people aurging over the level and type of filtering / promotion is the problem

Facebook painted themselves into this corner by choosing what people will see and not see instead of letting user choose this for themselves. That is what the GrandParent was saying.

See you desire them to censor and filter, you want that you just disagree with their choices

I do not want them picking anything at all for anyone.

not sure how that makes me "ignorant" on this topic, or how my comment is some how wrong or misunderstanding what it happening. It seems more likely you are misunderstanding my comment

Of source this is all really pointless because I have never, and will never have either a Facebook or Twitter account so...

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Post by AdrianB1 »

newacct583 wrote: post #209
mchusma wrote: post #49

I don't understand why doesn't Facebook just: -Allow all posts -Allow users to customize what they want to see (e.g. "dont show me posts that glorify violence" or "only allow covid posts that match WHO guidelines" or "allow exceptions from political figures or of historical significance") and allow users to ban hide posts that are found untruthful by third parties (snopes, etc). To me effectively everyone wins. Faceb…

> I don't understand why doesn't Facebook just: -Allow all posts [...] To me effectively everyone wins. "Everyone", including racists, terrorists, drug cartels, human smugglers, child pornographers, scammers, phishers, hackers, gun nuts, anarchists... I know you say you'd be fine with all that stuff, but if I write long enough I'll find something you're not OK with. And everyone else has a different something. Findin…

People in the "everyone" categories you mention can be heard if they want to, the world and Internet are big enough for everyone. And I have the impression that you think you are the owner of the truth by putting categories that should NOT have free speech because you KNOW they are bad. You are wrong multiple times, first because your categories are extremely subjective (I know gun nuts that are very nice people with a passion for the Olympic sport called precision shooting), second because in a country where SCOTUS said something like "there is no exception for hate speech in the 1st A, so hate speech is protected speech" you want private organizations to be restrict what the government is not allowed to. For you free speech is a bad idea, but you think you can post on forums about that and benefit from the fact that the forums do not restrict your posts like you want to restrict others. Maybe your posts are more nocive than child porn, some food for thought.

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Post by dfxm12 »

ordinaryradical wrote: post #8

He’s standing up for what he believes. You can disagree with his convictions, but you should admire anyone who risks personal and financial consequences for sticking to their guns. That’s what actual morality is—not just a “belief” that is talked about but acted upon even when the results will be costly.

anyone who risks personal and financial consequences for sticking to their guns.

The financial consequences seem to be overblown. At the end of the day, people in Timothy's situation will certainly be able to make ends meet. At the end of the day, I'm sure he'll still be better off than well over half the country. This should be clear to most people reading this.

I'm not saying this to downplay Timothy's actions; I'm saying this to remind others that are on the fence - if you think you can't afford, morally, to keep working at Facebook, you can afford, financially, to quit.

Re: I'm resigning from my job at Facebook

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Post by pedro_hab »

coffeefirst wrote: post #338
pedro_hab wrote: post #62

This is all nonsense to me. Trump said if you loot, you get shot. Isn't this how our society works? If you steal you may end up getting shot. People are trying to react as if he said "if you walk down the street you'll get shot". Sensitive topic, I guess. * EDIT: The nonsense part is people calling Trump to be censored, like OP. I am not condoning violence but I do think looting may lead to it, it's not too far from…

It is not. Breaking windows does not provide a legal justification for deadly force. If he said "When the looting starts people committing crimes will be arrested" we wouldn't be having this conversation.

I understand that, but it's not false that looting may end up in shooting.

What he said it's still true, it doesn't need to be censored.

People looting might escalate into a fight with police and shooting may happen.

I don't think looting justifies shooting, but I do think it may escalate to that, it's a messy situation.

I think it's irresponsible to suggest looting shouldn't have consequences.

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