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And once again we’re back in 2018 trying to figure out whether these private companies should be considered “public squares”. I personally think speech censorship, even by a private company, is wrong. However, there’s so much grey area that one could argue either way.
If looting is not the one that should be discouraged with shots, then what about rape? If that also not, then where it starts?
How do you stop looters? Asking nicely? Mob has its own personality and it doesn't have conscious.
I don't like current US president (BTW I'm not US citizen, nor do I live there), but that quote wasn't the one people should complain about.
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See you have a healthy respect for the idea of free expression, as do I Unfortunately we are in the minority, the majority wants SOMEONE ELSE to choose what they can see, what is the "good speech" and what is the "bad speech" They want someone else to tell them what the "good things" are they should be supporting, and what the "bad things" are that they need to oppose In short, people no longer want to think critical…
I honestly don’t understand how this ignorant of a comment still gets on HN. What y’all are talking about is “The Internet” where all the trash and racist are free to make whatever content they want. What everyone else is talking about is private companies that publish trash based on recommendation engines, timeline visibility algorithms, sharing functions, and whole other bunch of programmed ways to “increase engage…
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Whilst his stance is to be applauded, it lessens the value of the stance given that he’s not sacrificing much and won’t suffer for his cause. Doesn’t mean it’s not the right thing to do, just that it would carry more weight if he was leaving to go work at Burger King. Then you’d say “man that guy stands tall”. Edit: Ok reasonable criticism, I’ll withdraw.
Currently he's leaving his ~250k job with no other job lined up. I don't think it lessens the value of his stance at all.
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It’s a highly privileged position to be in to make a personal stand and leave your $250,000 job for another $250,000 job. Not judging this way or that, just saying.
he's a "Software Engineer" at facebook. He's not even a "Senior Software Engineer" He is NOT making 250k and he likely lives _near_ facebook which means _most_ of his money is going directly into housing. There are a LOT of people working what is normally considered a high income job in the bay area and living out of their vans because that's the only way they can actually have any money left over at the end of the m…
In my experience, this is VERY far from accurate in high-paying markets like Seattle and the Bay Area
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I'm calling total BS. He should stay to change the system from within. Total waste of hard work to give up now. This is a knee jerk reaction and the poor lamb is going to live to regret it. I'm surprised they didn't have him out on his ass the same day and gave him a whole extra week to potentially sabotage the systems. Edit: OK fine. I agree it's totally an uphill struggle and in all fairness it's one we're all figh…
Can you advise us on how to change such systems from within?
We should all know we're trying to change them and help each other, how else?
Tell me you've never tried and failed due to "politics" but have you ever stuck your neck out even a little?
"yeah but cmon you know what you're at Facebook for, it isn't for a moral debate" cue laughter
I would be more impressed to see people quitting that just got their $100K signing bonus and were within their first year of vesting, feeling kind of probationary.
Anybody working for Facebook is knowingly and willingly helping promote fascism. These people have some of the best job options out there, and they're actively choosing to work for a company that's actively harmful to society.
Also, I would hesitate using term 'fascism' on US oriented forum. As arguments go, the label has become largely meaningless.
He’s standing up for what he believes. You can disagree with his convictions, but you should admire anyone who risks personal and financial consequences for sticking to their guns. That’s what actual morality is—not just a “belief” that is talked about but acted upon even when the results will be costly.
Agreed. Putting money behind your statement gives it much more weight.
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It's not that simple or easy. Many of these guys are giving up tends of thousands of dollars in benefits (stock options/ bonuses). Also, the assumption that everyone with a good paying job at Facebook is going to be able to quickly pick up a comparable job in a short amount of time is a huge stretch. Ultimately developers leaving and people refusing to work for Facebook, drive up Facebook's costs and speaks to their…
It's not really a huge stretch, his post on LinkedIn [0] has 200K+ reactions, and it's an understatement to say he'll have no trouble _at all_ getting a job within a few weeks. [0]: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/timothy-j-aveni_blacklivesmat...
I agree that software developers have it pretty good. But let's not, on that basis, discount acts of moral integrity.