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iMessage for Windows: A labor of love that will never see light of day (2018)

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Post by derefr »

sukilot wrote: post #385
scarface74 wrote: post #327

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Why do people act like having “private APIs” is something evil? The entire purpose of having published public APIs is that they should be something that doesn’t change without a deprecation schedule or warning while the underlying implementation can change without notice. This is software engineering 101.

I don't know about evil, but it's hostile because Apple is intentionally preventing a non-AppleOS version from existing. The details of how they do it are of merely scientific interest.

Wouldn't a non-AppleOS version of iMessage just be written to be compatible with iMessage's wire protocol, rather than relying on any of Apple's code?

Re: iMessage for Windows: A labor of love that will never see light of day (2018)

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Post by 013a »

msh wrote: post #188
013a wrote: post #101

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People definitely do. The worst part is, an excellent upgrade exists. The RCS experience between Android users is pretty much as good as iMessage. Apple could support this; not to replace iMessage, but to upgrade SMS conversations. My tech-illiterate mom's Galaxy S negative 12 has it. Of my contacts, every single Android user I text (maybe a dozen) has RCS. Its standard. When I put my iPhone XS and my S20 Plus side-b…

RCS is only rolled out in a limited number of countries.

Countries which I do not live in, and people whom I do not interact with.

It'll get there. But, right now, it works great for me.

Re: iMessage for Windows: A labor of love that will never see light of day (2018)

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Post by 013a »

Yizahi wrote: post #317
ThePowerOfFuet wrote: post #212

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>a sonic sub-pixel fingerprint reader Just hope nobody who steals your phone puts a screen protector on it. https://www.thesun.co.uk/tech/10127908/samsung-galaxy-s10-sc...

Under display scanner on Samsungs is so horribly bad that I'm not worried about it at all :) . I often can't unlock my S10+ in five tries after which it forces me to enter pin. And S10+ cost 1000$ on release last year. I don't use any screen protectors and I've rescanned fingers after Samsung rolled out "fixes" for the scanner. It's junk.

Zero issues with the S20. It works great; not as great as TouchID on older iPhones, as if that were still an option, but barring super wet fingers or gloves, it unlocks every time while declining the fingerprints of my other fingers and the half-dozen other people who have tried mine.

Re: iMessage for Windows: A labor of love that will never see light of day (2018)

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Post by joshspankit »

patentatt wrote: post #358
ajconway wrote: post #281

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I come from a land where patents don’t really work. I often wonder, are there any examples of patents in the field of software engineering that worked like they supposed to, protecting small collectives from powerful corporations?

Many of the troll cases actually do trace back to a small time inventor, very often a failed small startup. They then sell their patents to various intermediaries which winds up in the hands of a ‘troll.’ So the original inventor does get paid, even if it’s an NPE doing the actual litigation against the big companies. The reason these trolls are so abhorrent is that they seek to maximize their economic value in the p…

I would also not be surprised if they paid the inventors as little as they can get away with and ended up with more “income” than they pass along.

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Post by VMisTheWay »

Nextgrid wrote: post #228
VMisTheWay wrote: post #109

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If you have ever talked to an iPhone user, you will know performance, features, and quality are the last things on their mind. The phone must be pretty and have the Apple logo on it. They might repeat the marketing about privacy and security, but if the person actually cared about either, you'd never use Apple products.

Maybe the marketing and “coolness” is what initially attracts them but once they try it they stay because of the user experience. I had a non-technical friend with an Android phone (full of malware btw). She didn’t care about Apple, never used any of their products nor need it for the “social status” or anything (her friends are all on WhatsApp so no issues with iMessage). I gave her an old iPhone 7 to try out, a cou…

I had an iPhone for work and it basically solidified the fact that Apple products are low quality.

I didn't see any benefits at all. Only annoyances.

I don't actually believe your story the way you told it. Was her Android a 50 dollar piece of Chinese junk or Samsung? Only way I could believe it.

Re: iMessage for Windows: A labor of love that will never see light of day (2018)

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Post by VMisTheWay »

saagarjha wrote: post #191
VMisTheWay wrote: post #109

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If you have ever talked to an iPhone user, you will know performance, features, and quality are the last things on their mind. The phone must be pretty and have the Apple logo on it. They might repeat the marketing about privacy and security, but if the person actually cared about either, you'd never use Apple products.

Hi, I have an iPhone and part of the reason I bought it for those reasons. I also happen to care a bit about privacy and security :)

Red flag here. You should take a marketing class.

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Post by VMisTheWay »

jakelazaroff wrote: post #163
VMisTheWay wrote: post #109

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If you have ever talked to an iPhone user, you will know performance, features, and quality are the last things on their mind. The phone must be pretty and have the Apple logo on it. They might repeat the marketing about privacy and security, but if the person actually cared about either, you'd never use Apple products.

> They might repeat the marketing about privacy and security, but if the person actually cared about either, you'd never use Apple products. If I cared about security, you’re saying the phone that the FBI famously had trouble breaking into is a bad choice? If I cared about privacy, you’re saying I should prefer Android — an operating system made by the literal inventor of surveillance capitalism?

They did break into the phone. So Apple completely failed.

Weird narrative here.

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Post by VMisTheWay »

nxc18 wrote: post #224
VMisTheWay wrote: post #109

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If you have ever talked to an iPhone user, you will know performance, features, and quality are the last things on their mind. The phone must be pretty and have the Apple logo on it. They might repeat the marketing about privacy and security, but if the person actually cared about either, you'd never use Apple products.

Can you name a single android phone that is superior in performance with last year’s iPhone? Can you name an android phone that will be stable and up-to-date 5 years after it was released?

Do Pixel count? But I'm anti Google now, I have not researched in a few years.

Apple slows down old phones, no one gives 5 years of support.

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Post by msh »

013a wrote: post #402
msh wrote: post #188

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RCS is only rolled out in a limited number of countries.

Countries which I do not live in, and people whom I do not interact with. It'll get there. But, right now, it works great for me.

Sure, but I think this was a more general discussion and not a personal annecdote.

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Post by mitjak »

Yizahi wrote: post #328
pottertheotter wrote: post #156

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So people don't use SMS outside the US? I knew WhatsApp was big in other countries, but didn't realize no one even uses SMS not iMessage. What do people use in Europe?

In ex-USSR SMS are dead, except on old "feature" phones. While in capitals a lot of people have iPhones it's share is not more than 50% and so iMessage never really picked up. Currently messaging it split between Viber (mostly older people) and Telegram (mostly younger people), plus some FB Messenger with FB friends. Whatsapp lost out market when it cost 1$ to install (yes, for many it was a decisive factor). iPhone…

whatsapp cost money to install??
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