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Re: I'm resigning from my job at Facebook

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Post by seesawtron »

kiplkipl wrote: post #230
seesawtron wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel the trigger of social media is getting dopamine-like reward signal when people like/share your posts. Its underlying acceptance of "you" aspect of it, rather than the idea itself that you share. In a forum, being an anonymous user, it doesn't affect you as much on a personal level which allows for a more rational discussion by detaching the "personal" side of you from it. Of course, that is only true in theory…

This website has rapid interaction from other users and visible upvotes that add up over time to create a personal score that nets you extra benefits. If I worked for Facebook, I'd like stronger evidence than amateur psychology for me to feel morally compelled to give up my livelihood. Edit: furthermore many users post with real or pseudo-real names that reward them with real life social clout.

For example, is there any revenue generated from people visiting users' profiles on HN? But there is revenue from ads on Facebook and Instagram profiles that millions subscribe to. There is no "subscription" like cult on this forum (afaik). I do not see content based on whether user has high points or not. Unlike social media, where people with more followers get more visibility. So I think the scoring vs followers is not really comparable.

I use adblocker so I do not see ads on HN. Correct me if this is different from your experience.

I can imagine, as you point out, the impact on "social life" for users with real/pseudo real names. Back in the day forums were used for anonymous discussions when you would not trust strangers on the internet. I guess now the opposite is trending.

Re: I'm resigning from my job at Facebook

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Post by alex_duf »

nightski wrote: post #126

I respect his decision. But I for one do not want our president, no matter who she or he is to be censored. I want to know exactly what they are saying and when. That includes any government official for that matter because it directly affects my voting decisions and actions.

I don't know if it qualifies as censorship. Facebook or other social media platforms aren't public spaces, they are private.

You can remove whatever you want from your own private platform. If president trump want to say something that is removed from these platform I'm sure he can host his own blog.

If you're going to use a social media platform, you have to obey by the rules of that platform. It's not censorship. He's still free to say whatever he wants, just not on that platform.

Re: I'm resigning from my job at Facebook

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Post by [deleted] »

blickentwapft wrote: post #14
ordinaryradical wrote: post #8

He’s standing up for what he believes. You can disagree with his convictions, but you should admire anyone who risks personal and financial consequences for sticking to their guns. That’s what actual morality is—not just a “belief” that is talked about but acted upon even when the results will be costly.

It’s a highly privileged position to be in to make a personal stand and leave your $250,000 job for another $250,000 job. Not judging this way or that, just saying.

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Re: I'm resigning from my job at Facebook

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Post by fullshark »

tomp wrote: post #138
ordinaryradical wrote: post #8

He’s standing up for what he believes. You can disagree with his convictions, but you should admire anyone who risks personal and financial consequences for sticking to their guns. That’s what actual morality is—not just a “belief” that is talked about but acted upon even when the results will be costly.

He's trading practically 0 money (actually might be paid more in his next job if he selects one with a bit less growth potential) for a lot of virtue signaling value. I mean nothing evil, but not that admirable and altruistic. Real good deeds aren't announced.

He's taking on job uncertainty during a pandemic where SWEs are getting laid off left and right. In the long run will he get paid the same or more? Possibly. But I'd guess he's not the only person who thinks this way within FB and a lot of employees aren't going to do this. There is a legit cost here.

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Post by bananamerica »

wrren wrote: post #241
code4tee wrote: post #208

Zuckerberg has always made it clear to investors and employees that Facebook is not a democracy. Mark is in charge and has full control of the company to do as he pleases when he pleases. When they IPOed he made it clear that’s how the company works. IPO materials made it clear that if you don’t like that don’t invest in it. Not saying I agree with his actions (or inactions) and decisions but he’s been very clear abo…

Even a dictatorship can be put under pressure if enough of its subjects take a stand. The relationship between employer and employee is a continuous negotiation. Facebook has put something new on the table: we expect you to look the other way when Trump calls for violence. If enough employees push back it's very likely that Facebook will change its stance, regardless of whatever power Mark thinks he has.

I am not a fan of Zuckerberg, but a dictatorship is necessarily illegitimate. A legitimate non-democratic rule may be unfair and perverse, but it’s not the same as a dictatorship.

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Post by dhagz »

panzagl wrote: post #169
nightski wrote: post #126

I respect his decision. But I for one do not want our president, no matter who she or he is to be censored. I want to know exactly what they are saying and when. That includes any government official for that matter because it directly affects my voting decisions and actions.

Corporations using their power to silence an elected government official is pretty much the corporate-fascist dystopia I thought we were all against.

This is why I liked Twitter's action (weird to say). They didn't hide the tweets, they just added context to say "hey, this is wrong according to actual studies" and to warn users of violent rhetoric. I know some will make the slippery slope argument, but I'm glad Twitter did something to take a stand against one of the most high-profile members of our society spreading misinformation, hate, and vitriol.

Re: I'm resigning from my job at Facebook

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Post by s1artibartfast »

k__ wrote: post #88
csunbird wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With the amount of fame he is getting with this post, I would be surprised if he did not receive 30+ offers that pays well yet. Edit: Of course, the big 5 (FAANG) will not touch him even with a 10 meter pole, but there are other places also pays well.

If one of the five wanted to kick FB butt in the future, they happily will.

Why would a they need an outspoken Dev with 1 year of total work experience to kick butt?

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Post by coffeefirst »

pedro_hab wrote: post #62

This is all nonsense to me. Trump said if you loot, you get shot. Isn't this how our society works? If you steal you may end up getting shot. People are trying to react as if he said "if you walk down the street you'll get shot". Sensitive topic, I guess. * EDIT: The nonsense part is people calling Trump to be censored, like OP. I am not condoning violence but I do think looting may lead to it, it's not too far from…

It is not. Breaking windows does not provide a legal justification for deadly force.

If he said "When the looting starts people committing crimes will be arrested" we wouldn't be having this conversation.

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Post by snarfy »

krzyk wrote: post #282

So he doesn't believe that one should be able to protect their property? If looting is not the one that should be discouraged with shots, then what about rape? If that also not, then where it starts? How do you stop looters? Asking nicely? Mob has its own personality and it doesn't have conscious. I don't like current US president (BTW I'm not US citizen, nor do I live there), but that quote wasn't the one people sho…

Property can be replaced. People cannot. In my state it is illegal to protect property with deadly force. They have to threaten your life before you can shoot.

Re: I'm resigning from my job at Facebook

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Post by ciarannolan »

kiplkipl wrote: post #240
ciarannolan wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://thenib.com/mister-gotcha/

In this analogy the parent poster would not be seeking to improve society, they'd be seeking to end it.

I don't think that's true.

You can eat fast food once in a while and still be very healthy. They're not necessarily advocating for (metaphorically) shutting down all fast food restaurants, just making a point about over-consumption side effects.

At least that's how I read it.

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