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Lenovo to Certify ThinkPad and ThinkStation Workstation Portfolio for Linux

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Re: Lenovo to Certify ThinkPad and ThinkStation Workstation Portfolio for Linux

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I have a Lenovo Thinkpad Yoga that claims to be certified by both Lenovo and Canonical for Ubuntu. Finger print sensor doesn't work, the fans are super loud all the time, audio doesn't work (requires a newer Linux kernel than the one shipped in the latest Ubuntu), EFI problems, sleep, hibernate, fast-boot, restore from hibernate problems, battery life on Linux is horrible... So at least the certification for Ubuntu i…

> If you want to buy a Linux laptop, avoid Lenovo like the plague. They have absolutely zero quality assurance for Linux. I had the exact opposite experience. Perhaps it's a Unbuntu thing, hard to know, I use Fedora, or perhaps it's the Yoga... In 2004 I got a T42, installed Fedora on it, it just worked. In 2013 I got a T440p, installed Fedora, just worked. That Laptop is still in use, btw. This year I got a X1 Extre…

Does your microphone work? I generally love Thinkpads and have continued to buy them but even running Ubuntu 20.04 I still cannot use my fingerprint reader or microphone on my X1 Yoga and the pen doesn’t show up in Wacom settings at all so I can’t customize the buttons.

Re: Lenovo to Certify ThinkPad and ThinkStation Workstation Portfolio for Linux

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I had a small laugh when I saw that guy in the example image doing the most minimal of work on what is otherwise quite a capable machine [1]. But still, it's cool to see Linux being taken more seriously by vendors. [1] https://news.lenovo.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/ThinkPad-...

Running Ubuntu 16.10 it looks like (which was released almost 4 years ago).

Hah! I missed that!

Re: Lenovo to Certify ThinkPad and ThinkStation Workstation Portfolio for Linux

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For new hardware Ubuntu isn't exactly the distribution I would recommend. You may have a better chance trying a distro like Fedora or Arch. Speaking from my personal experience I have a X1 Yoga 1st gen and installed then updated Fedora from 29 to 31 it's a pretty much hassle-free process (apart from the fingerprint, which never worked in the first place and I don't use it anyway), I postpone the update from 31 to 32…

This is my experience. I don't get the fascination with Ubuntu. Whenever I hear about something that doesn't work it's always Ubuntu. That could be confirmation bias though. From my perspective it's old & busted vs Fedora's hot & sexy, using more up to date software revs everywhere you look. It's low maintenance (unlike Manjaro/Arch) yet still fresh. You have a choice of desktops, or no desktop at all. There is Fedor…

I work with a guy who has been sysadmin for 20± years (and he is good) he says something like this (I am paraphrasing):

It is a problem if Hipster-Developers work on bleeding edge Linux, because their software will run on their system but nearly nowhere else (including their own system a year later). If you wanna develope do it on a debian or buntu - if it works there, others won't have a problem

Not sure with I totally agree with him, but we had multiple problems which seemed to proof his point.

Re: Lenovo to Certify ThinkPad and ThinkStation Workstation Portfolio for Linux

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Maybe the X1 Carbon 7th gen has a bit better support than the Yoga I have, but that gives me hopes that everything will work one day (although some user below has your exact same Laptop and they complain below that Audio does not work for them, which is the same problem I used to have with Ubuntu, so maybe this is a Debian/Ubuntu issue that others distros do not have). FWIW, I've also used fwup and it has worked perf…

The sound card just needs the up to date SOF driver. It works out of the box on Fedora 32.

Fedora 32 was released in April 21 2020. This laptop was released in october 2019.

Waiting 7 months to be able to use sound was not an option for me. I needed to use the microphone and headphones for work.

Luckily I managed to get Arch set up, which came with a recent enough kernel and SOF driver. As of June 2020, Ubuntu still does not.

Re: Lenovo to Certify ThinkPad and ThinkStation Workstation Portfolio for Linux

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To be fair, if hardware really only worked with a specific version of the Linux kernel, that wouldn't exactly scream quality either. You'd be stuck without being able to update for security or for any new hardware support. As a troubleshooting step, trying with the specific kernel version that was used for the certification might of course work.

I agree, I moreso meant if they are on kernel 4.x or possibly an earlier version of 5.x then that could be why it's not working well

They actually managed to upstream support on kernel 5.1, but break it on kernel 5.2, and IIRC only kernel >5.5 has the fix, which ubuntu still doesn't have support for.

I expect Canonical or Lenovo or both to test all release candidates of all kernel versions after release and make sure that the hardware actually works, and if it doesn't, prevent the release of a broken Linux kernel version.

That would be the minimum level of QA acceptable for a "certified" laptop.

Re: Lenovo to Certify ThinkPad and ThinkStation Workstation Portfolio for Linux

#196

I have a Lenovo Thinkpad Yoga that claims to be certified by both Lenovo and Canonical for Ubuntu. Finger print sensor doesn't work, the fans are super loud all the time, audio doesn't work (requires a newer Linux kernel than the one shipped in the latest Ubuntu), EFI problems, sleep, hibernate, fast-boot, restore from hibernate problems, battery life on Linux is horrible... So at least the certification for Ubuntu i…

> If you want to buy a Linux laptop, avoid Lenovo like the plague. They have absolutely zero quality assurance for Linux. I had the exact opposite experience. Perhaps it's a Unbuntu thing, hard to know, I use Fedora, or perhaps it's the Yoga... In 2004 I got a T42, installed Fedora on it, it just worked. In 2013 I got a T440p, installed Fedora, just worked. That Laptop is still in use, btw. This year I got a X1 Extre…

I had some issues with Ubuntu too. Fedora 32 -- zero issues.

Re: Lenovo to Certify ThinkPad and ThinkStation Workstation Portfolio for Linux

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This has been a source of much consternation. Basically want a 15" x1 Carbon without any of the complications of the dual GPU laptops. But no one seems to make it. I guess to push margins up they force higher prices on larger laptops as they become more "niche"

I ran into the same issue when I was in the market for a laptop a year or two ago. In particular, it's difficult to find a 15" laptop with a 1920x1080 matte screen that doesn't have a dual gpu setup. I was also looking for something that wouldn't break the bank. I ended up getting an ASUS f510ua (cheap variant with a 1TB 5200rpm hdd) and adding a 256GB m.2 ssd for my boot drive. 8GB ram and an i5 8250U. Found a deal…

Interesting. I was considering a more budget end laptop but was worried about the build quality.

When I try most laptops in shops they feel terrible to be honest.

My first laptop was an Asus. To be fair it was as well speced as laptops 2 years later but the screen bowed in the middle.

How's the keyboard on those Asus laptops?

Re: Lenovo to Certify ThinkPad and ThinkStation Workstation Portfolio for Linux

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>This machine doesn't have great battery life regardless of what OS you are running, but after properly configuring the GPU, battery life on linux is on par with Windows if not a bit better. I've also undervolted the cpu, which is easy to do and provides even better batter life. You can gain a couple of minutes using a WM instead of a full fledged DE >Docker is still a pain to set up on 32. There's no docker-ce repo,…

I'd love to use podman but have some use cases it doesn't yet support

Apart from podman-compose, any other issue?

Re: Lenovo to Certify ThinkPad and ThinkStation Workstation Portfolio for Linux

#199

My experience running Fedora Linux on a Thinkpad P1 Gen 2: It's mostly very good! - I'm running Fedora 32 and using Gnome. I love it. Gnome continues to improve a lot with each release, and overall the operating system feels very stable. I can't think of the last time I saw any error. - This machine doesn't have great battery life regardless of what OS you are running, but after properly configuring the GPU, battery…

You can install "moby-engine" (docker-ce 19.03.8) from Fedora repos instead, I think docker doesn't care about repo for fedora as they lag few months every release.

Re: Lenovo to Certify ThinkPad and ThinkStation Workstation Portfolio for Linux

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This is my experience. I don't get the fascination with Ubuntu. Whenever I hear about something that doesn't work it's always Ubuntu. That could be confirmation bias though. From my perspective it's old & busted vs Fedora's hot & sexy, using more up to date software revs everywhere you look. It's low maintenance (unlike Manjaro/Arch) yet still fresh. You have a choice of desktops, or no desktop at all. There is Fedor…

I work with a guy who has been sysadmin for 20± years (and he is good) he says something like this (I am paraphrasing): It is a problem if Hipster-Developers work on bleeding edge Linux, because their software will run on their system but nearly nowhere else (including their own system a year later). If you wanna develope do it on a debian or buntu - if it works there, others won't have a problem Not sure with I tota…

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