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iMessage for Windows: A labor of love that will never see light of day (2018)

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Re: iMessage for Windows: A labor of love that will never see light of day (2018)

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iMessage is a much better user experience. Users associate the blue bubbles with that.

Like pretty much every other messaging app on every phone platform currently existence?

It’s the combination of features and the network effect iMessage has. That’s what makes it special to a lot of people. You get rich chat features (especially in group conversations) and you don’t have to negotiate what platform to use if everyone happens to have an iOS device.

Re: iMessage for Windows: A labor of love that will never see light of day (2018)

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iMessage is a much better user experience. Users associate the blue bubbles with that.

Like pretty much every other messaging app on every phone platform currently existence?

Great for you if you live in an area where all of your friends have the same messaging app. They’re all a big step up from SMS, but there’s no messaging app I know that will reach everyone I want to talk to.

Re: iMessage for Windows: A labor of love that will never see light of day (2018)

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Vendor lock is real, but would that not be rendered moot of other players could offer a superior user experience? Especially when you consider that Facebook, Google and others have a far larger base of potential users than iMessage. As far as I understand, the only iMessage feature that competitors couldn't emulate due to first-party entitlements is the SMS fallback functionality, which while nice, is definitely a fe…

Curious, what were your issues with Whatsapp?

What's app has a pretty massive spam and fake news problem. It's an unfortunate side effect of WhatsApp's ability to forward message to your contacts. Users will forward fake news to their contacts, those contacts will then forward to their contacts and so on. It's essentially a modern reincarnation of chain emails of the 90s and early 2000s.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/03/02/whatsap...

I've had discussions with my friends and family on WhatsApp about them forwarding fake news, but they either don't understand (a lot aren't particularly computer literate) or refuse to listen. WhatsApp has tried to fix the problem by restricting the ability to forward messages, but this behaviour is so ingrained in the "culture" of the WhatsApp user base that software fixes are unlikely to resolve the problem. Anecdotally, I know a lot of WhatsApp's younger users refuse to engage with users on the app because of this behaviour. I've personally disabled WhatsApp notifications to control the amount of fake news spam I receive.'

Edit: This behaviour is highly regionalized, so I wouldn't necessarily expect all WhatsApp users to have experienced it

Re: iMessage for Windows: A labor of love that will never see light of day (2018)

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iMessage motivates people to people buy iPhones instead of Android when everyone else in a social circle has it. Why should Apple give up on that? What will Apple gain from making it ubiquitous? It would in fact disappoint many people as now they can't use their phone to distance themselves from the people who don't have that blue circle. Note that I'm arguing from Apple's perspective here. From my own I believe they…

Why would anyone want to buy an iPhone because of iMessage. It doesn't do anything special

The features aren’t special by themselves. It’s the features combined with the fact it’s the default SMS/chat client on a huge portion of the smartphones market.

It’s a social product. You can’t discount its social appeal.

Re: iMessage for Windows: A labor of love that will never see light of day (2018)

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Curious, what were your issues with Whatsapp?

What's app has a pretty massive spam and fake news problem. It's an unfortunate side effect of WhatsApp's ability to forward message to your contacts. Users will forward fake news to their contacts, those contacts will then forward to their contacts and so on. It's essentially a modern reincarnation of chain emails of the 90s and early 2000s. https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/03/02/whatsap... I've had di…

Has nothing to do with the software. I use Whatsapp as my main IM and never had this issue. Pretty sure the same would happen on iMessage too if it targetted the same demographic.

So your parent comment wasn't really a fair comparison because you left out the biggest IM service which does actually compete really well with iMessage without the vendor lock-in.

Re: iMessage for Windows: A labor of love that will never see light of day (2018)

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iMessage has read receipts, faster and more reliable delivery, higher quality images/videos. More than just the color of the bubble

Looks like you have never used Whatsapp!

In the US, nobody uses WhatsApp, so it’s not a realistic option. Network effects are a thing.

Re: iMessage for Windows: A labor of love that will never see light of day (2018)

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Meanwhile, https://airmessage.org/ seems to have existed for quite some time now...?

This appears to be the option he didn't want to use, an always on mac functioning as a proxy server.

The "always on mac functioning as a proxy server" is the same type of solution that the author spent the entire article figuring out how to implement. The only time he mentions the proxy server as something to be avoided is when the he talks about not wanting to be forced to run that proxy server on an older version of OSX.

> But I wanted to do this and I wanted to do it right. I wanted an elegant approach that I could deploy on the same machine I still used from time to time, without being stuck on an ancient (and insecure) legacy version of OS X that could suddenly be blocked from the iMessage network at any point.

Re: iMessage for Windows: A labor of love that will never see light of day (2018)

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> Why, though? Does your average iPhone user actually care if the bubbles they see in their chats are blue or green? If so, why? They definitely do. Not sure what your age or demographic is, but young folks do care a lot about higher social status which is tied to blue bubble because of iPhone prices. It has nothing to do with privacy though.

I'm 22 and live in a mid-sized city, and I've seen people trying to get into a relationship (or even something more casual, but not a platonic friendship) get rejected because of the dreaded "green bubbles" - and really, I'm not exaggerating. And not from rich people who have the latest iPhone either. In addition, I have been in friend groups that would exclude Android users because if you have even 1 Android user in…

More of a reason not to be friends with them.

Re: iMessage for Windows: A labor of love that will never see light of day (2018)

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I didn't mean to imply that; I meant to explicitly say that.

... which appears to be explicitly incorrect.

Close enough to zero that for our purposes, we can safely round down to it.

Re: iMessage for Windows: A labor of love that will never see light of day (2018)

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iMessage motivates people to people buy iPhones instead of Android when everyone else in a social circle has it. Why should Apple give up on that? What will Apple gain from making it ubiquitous? It would in fact disappoint many people as now they can't use their phone to distance themselves from the people who don't have that blue circle. Note that I'm arguing from Apple's perspective here. From my own I believe they…

> iMessage motivates people to people buy iPhones instead of Android Why, though? Does your average iPhone user actually care if the bubbles they see in their chats are blue or green? If so, why? Note that I'm talking about average users. Sure, there are likely a bunch of privacy-conscious users who believe in Apple's commitment to security and privacy and prefer iMessage on those grounds. But otherwise, why? > It wo…

They absolutely should care. I’m not adding you to a group text if you have an android. Life is too short to read green text bubbles.
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