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iMessage for Windows: A labor of love that will never see light of day (2018)

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Re: iMessage for Windows: A labor of love that will never see light of day (2018)

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Post by improv32 »

kelnos wrote: post #40
est31 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

iMessage motivates people to people buy iPhones instead of Android when everyone else in a social circle has it. Why should Apple give up on that? What will Apple gain from making it ubiquitous? It would in fact disappoint many people as now they can't use their phone to distance themselves from the people who don't have that blue circle. Note that I'm arguing from Apple's perspective here. From my own I believe they…

> iMessage motivates people to people buy iPhones instead of Android Why, though? Does your average iPhone user actually care if the bubbles they see in their chats are blue or green? If so, why? Note that I'm talking about average users. Sure, there are likely a bunch of privacy-conscious users who believe in Apple's commitment to security and privacy and prefer iMessage on those grounds. But otherwise, why? > It wo…

iMessage has read receipts, faster and more reliable delivery, higher quality images/videos. More than just the color of the bubble

Re: iMessage for Windows: A labor of love that will never see light of day (2018)

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Post by ComputerGuru »

hendersoon wrote: post #47

I feel his pain. I run a whole MacOS VM _exclusively_ for iMessage.

In 2017, a macOS VM (even on Mac hardware, iirc) would function impeccably with the sole exception that iMessage would be blocked. Hypervisors (and kexts) have improved considerably since then, however.

Re: iMessage for Windows: A labor of love that will never see light of day (2018)

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Post by bentcorner »

hellotomyrars wrote: post #5
rrdharan wrote: post #4

Meanwhile, https://airmessage.org/ seems to have existed for quite some time now...?

This software requires a server component to be run on a mac. It's not self-contained.

Doesn't this solution as well?

> I do now have a fully working iMessage client that runs on Windows and sends messages via an up-to-date macOS High Sierra installation running on my rMBP.

Re: iMessage for Windows: A labor of love that will never see light of day (2018)

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Post by harpratap »

spideymans wrote: post #38
ceocoder wrote: post #16

I came across this article[1] and this thread quoted[0] in article some time ago. I don't think of iMessage as a walled garden, it is almost like a low fence you can see across with a sign that "you must be this cool to participate". iMessage is literally the only reason I have not tried an android phone because I don't want to deal with the fallout of all of my chat threads going back to 2011(?) getting disrupted. I…

Vendor lock is real, but would that not be rendered moot of other players could offer a superior user experience? Especially when you consider that Facebook, Google and others have a far larger base of potential users than iMessage. As far as I understand, the only iMessage feature that competitors couldn't emulate due to first-party entitlements is the SMS fallback functionality, which while nice, is definitely a fe…

Curious, what were your issues with Whatsapp?

Re: iMessage for Windows: A labor of love that will never see light of day (2018)

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Post by megraf »

Funny, I've actually spent a good amount of time tearing apart the iMessage database back in 2016-2017. The queries you end up with are hilarious. Here's one from my website's sample code

```

INNER JOIN chat_message_join ON message.ROWID = chat_message_join.message_id INNER JOIN chat ON chat.ROWID = chat_message_join.chat_id INNER JOIN chat_handle_join ON chat.ROWID = chat_handle_join.chat_id INNER JOIN handle ON handle.ROWID = chat_handle_join.handle_id LEFT JOIN message_attachment_join ON message.ROWID = message_attachment_join.message_id LEFT JOIN attachment ON attachment.ROWID = message_attachment_join.attachment_id ...

```

But it really wasn't that hard. I was able to programmatically send and receive iMessages. The problem (as the author pointed out) was that this changed, and didn't really work for the long. Although, I'm sure it could still be reveng'd – it's a pain in the ass, and (for me) not really worth it... =/

Re: iMessage for Windows: A labor of love that will never see light of day (2018)

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Post by dingaling »

halostatue wrote: post #35
teruakohatu wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why would or should they open it? They said they would make it an open standard. People took them on their word. https://9to5mac.com/2018/06/06/make-facetime-an-open-standar...

Then they got hit with by a patent troll.

I'm sure that the ~richest company on Earth could have consumed VirnetX without a hiccough.

Re: iMessage for Windows: A labor of love that will never see light of day (2018)

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

kelnos wrote: post #40
est31 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

iMessage motivates people to people buy iPhones instead of Android when everyone else in a social circle has it. Why should Apple give up on that? What will Apple gain from making it ubiquitous? It would in fact disappoint many people as now they can't use their phone to distance themselves from the people who don't have that blue circle. Note that I'm arguing from Apple's perspective here. From my own I believe they…

> iMessage motivates people to people buy iPhones instead of Android Why, though? Does your average iPhone user actually care if the bubbles they see in their chats are blue or green? If so, why? Note that I'm talking about average users. Sure, there are likely a bunch of privacy-conscious users who believe in Apple's commitment to security and privacy and prefer iMessage on those grounds. But otherwise, why? > It wo…

I was thinking about moving to Android about three years back. The thing that stopped me from even seriously considering it was iMessage.

Everyone I know uses iMessage. SMS is unreliable, works poorly in group chats, and can't easily be sent/received from my computer.

(I will still eventually need to go to Android because I'm not giving up my headphone jack, but I'll be hanging onto my iPhone 6S for as long as possible.)

Re: iMessage for Windows: A labor of love that will never see light of day (2018)

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Post by sandeeps_ »

improv32 wrote: post #61
kelnos wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> iMessage motivates people to people buy iPhones instead of Android Why, though? Does your average iPhone user actually care if the bubbles they see in their chats are blue or green? If so, why? Note that I'm talking about average users. Sure, there are likely a bunch of privacy-conscious users who believe in Apple's commitment to security and privacy and prefer iMessage on those grounds. But otherwise, why? > It wo…

iMessage has read receipts, faster and more reliable delivery, higher quality images/videos. More than just the color of the bubble

Looks like you have never used Whatsapp!

Re: iMessage for Windows: A labor of love that will never see light of day (2018)

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Post by paulie_a »

est31 wrote: post #11
monadic2 wrote: post #3

If ever Apple needed to open source server and client code for a public good it is with imessages. Yes it has clear limits with a centralized server, but it is realistically how a lot of “secure” messaging happens and it’s very difficult to endorse being tied to expensive hardware. You can say the same about facetime: it is clearly higher quality than competitors in every experiment I’ve tried, but their refusal to i…

iMessage motivates people to people buy iPhones instead of Android when everyone else in a social circle has it. Why should Apple give up on that? What will Apple gain from making it ubiquitous? It would in fact disappoint many people as now they can't use their phone to distance themselves from the people who don't have that blue circle. Note that I'm arguing from Apple's perspective here. From my own I believe they…

Why would anyone want to buy an iPhone because of iMessage. It doesn't do anything special
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