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Oumuamua may be a hydrogen iceberg

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Re: Oumuamua may be a hydrogen iceberg

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This is great sci-fi fodder, imagine if you could land a tiny craft on that thing and then use the hydrogen as fuel without having to haul all that fuel into deep space (very unlikely to be practical but the idea is exciting).

Then the problem becomes getting oxygen. As a hydrogen won't burn in a vacuum.

Re: Oumuamua may be a hydrogen iceberg

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This is great sci-fi fodder, imagine if you could land a tiny craft on that thing and then use the hydrogen as fuel without having to haul all that fuel into deep space (very unlikely to be practical but the idea is exciting).

Then the problem becomes getting oxygen. As a hydrogen won't burn in a vacuum.

Unless you can fuse it into helium.

Re: Oumuamua may be a hydrogen iceberg

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Intuitively I would think so since 0K is a motionless state. By definition everything would be solid because nothing would be capable of e.g. filling a given volume, or for that matter, doing any action at all. But this isn't my field of expertise.

Complete lack of motion would violate Heisenberg uncertainty principle ("no motion" == "I know both momentum and location with zero uncertainty" and that's not allowed)

No, you can have zero momentum. However it comes along with having a position wavefunction that fills the whole universe.

Re: Oumuamua may be a hydrogen iceberg

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Is there an element or compound in the universe that will remain a gas at 0K? Does everything become solid at that temp?

To be pedantic, it's impossible to get to 0K due to quantum fluctuations. Even empty deep space is over 2K. In laboratory settings, we've gotten way below 1K. I don't think anything qualifies as a gas at that temperature. It'd be a solid or a BEC.

Re: Oumuamua may be a hydrogen iceberg

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This is great sci-fi fodder, imagine if you could land a tiny craft on that thing and then use the hydrogen as fuel without having to haul all that fuel into deep space (very unlikely to be practical but the idea is exciting).

Then the problem becomes getting oxygen. As a hydrogen won't burn in a vacuum.

I could still be useful as a propellant for say, a nuclear thermal engine.

Re: Oumuamua may be a hydrogen iceberg

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I went on a wiki-binge on this topic a few days ago and so I recognize this as a magsail[0]. It would be an attractive addition to an interstellar craft since it obviates the need to carry propellant for deceleration. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_sail

That's really cool. Definitely helpful in order to drop deceleration fuel requirements if we ever manage to put together a relativistic interstellar spacecraft.

In a bit over 1M years another star is expected to pass around 1000 AU from the sun. Chemical rockets should be able to get there in a decade or two. It's a huge stretch, but we have a million years to prepare.

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Complete lack of motion would violate Heisenberg uncertainty principle ("no motion" == "I know both momentum and location with zero uncertainty" and that's not allowed)

No, you can have zero momentum. However it comes along with having a position wavefunction that fills the whole universe.

Hey let's probe the boundary conditions of the universe.

Re: Oumuamua may be a hydrogen iceberg

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Is there an element or compound in the universe that will remain a gas at 0K? Does everything become solid at that temp?

To be pedantic, it's impossible to get to 0K due to quantum fluctuations. Even empty deep space is over 2K. In laboratory settings, we've gotten way below 1K. I don't think anything qualifies as a gas at that temperature. It'd be a solid or a BEC.

This is true, but doesn't have anything to do with quantum mechanics -- the third law of thermodynamics is basically a statement that you can't cool things to absolute zero.
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