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Bell, Telus to use Nokia and Ericsson, not Huawei, in building their 5G networks

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Re: Bell, Telus to use Nokia and Ericsson, not Huawei, in building their 5G networks

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Post by billfruit »

chvid wrote: post #91
chvid wrote: post #88

In other news; here in Denmark the government has barred Huawei by decree. Also covering Greenland and Faroe Islands. The situation is a bit different here since as there are multiple competing network operators (at least in mainland DK). Germany's main network operators are also decling Huawei; not by direct government decree though. So Huawei seems to be loosing 5G contracts all over the western world.

Actually in which western countries will Huawei implement 5G networks? I know they are technically allowed some places but no operators dare to hire them.

UK despite their grandstanding, I think is still going ahead with Huawei for the time being.

Re: Bell, Telus to use Nokia and Ericsson, not Huawei, in building their 5G networks

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Post by nicoburns »

kingosticks wrote: post #161
linker3000 wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right now in the UK I’m paying £8/month for 7GB 4G data, 30 day contract, EU roaming, unlimited calls and texts (Plusnet, SIM only). Which works for me because I am mostly on wifi or (current situation notwithstanding) on a very short commute.

Wow, thanks for that. I just realised I was still paying £9.50 a month to Plusnet for much less. Took just 2 minutes to login and update the tariff (reduced the data too since I no longer have a commute). I wish they'd do this automatically but obviously it's not in their interests.

Giffgaff is really good about actually getting you on to a plan that suits you. They'll automatically update you to the latest plan at the price point you've set. They'll email you suggesting cheaper plan if you're not using all/most of your allowance. I've even had them gift me an extra GB of data when I went over my plan's allowance.

Re: Bell, Telus to use Nokia and Ericsson, not Huawei, in building their 5G networks

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Post by billfruit »

bb123 wrote: post #149
LatteLazy wrote: post #147

Despite zero actual evidence, everyone seems sure that Huawei are a security issue. Despite enormous evidence, everyone seems sure that Western countries are NOT a security issue. Last time I checked, Huawei actually offered a better product (speed, price, reliability). Am I missing something or are people cheering for the opportunity to pay more for a worse product with more security issues?!

The issue isn't the product itself - the issue is that the company that produces is controlled by an outwardly hostile foreign nation that has a history of carrying out state sponsored cyber attacks against critical infrastructure in the west.

West's hands are not clean, perhaps even more blatantly smeared on doing state sponsored disruption of infrastructure: Remember stuxnet and the problems they created in Venezuelas national oil company.

In the case of China/Huawei the hostile posturing has been largely coming from US/West and not from China. I see much anti China rhetoric emenating from US, but comparatively less the other way round.

Re: Bell, Telus to use Nokia and Ericsson, not Huawei, in building their 5G networks

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Post by yabones »

adventured wrote: post #16
abledon wrote: post #2

has anyone had to hear their crazy relatives go on about the dangers of 5G? Is there some penultimate youtube video or resource to point people to to assuage their fears?

I spent many hours arguing with a smart friend about this. I was unable to find any argument to get her to stop believing 5G is boiling/damaging/altering people's blood with "high powered energy waves" or similar (the blood clot revelations have only amplified that conspiracy angle). I find a commonality among most conspiracy theory people is vast ignorance of the topic in question and any underlying science. This is…

The thing is though, if you trace all of this back it does end up coming from a very real place. For hundreds of years the governments have been completely willing to let people be poisoned and die. They did practically nothing about DuPont dumping PFAS into rivers for decades, they continue to do nothing about PM2.5 emissions in the predominantly black communities in Louisiana causing massive COPD and asthma rates... So yeah, it's all very valid that people feel this way about something that they don't fully understand.

The only way to get through to people is to address this - that the governments and supercorps have absolutely abused their power before and will again, but this time that outrage is misplaced entirely.

Re: Bell, Telus to use Nokia and Ericsson, not Huawei, in building their 5G networks

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Post by kevin_nisbet »

sradman wrote: post #153
kevin_nisbet wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think we already bungled that one with Nortel going bankrupt, and getting parted up and sold off. And I don't think the solution for that, should've been, lets bail them out because it's in the national interest. We're in this really weird state where these bailouts allow privatizing the profits and socializing the losses. Even if that didn't happen, would Nortel survive anyways with the major consolidations over t…

You may be interested in the book “100 Days: The Rush to Judgement that Killed Nortel” by James Bagnall. This story should be better known as it is a cautionary tale of virtue signalling, both by American regulators and Nortel’s Board of Directors, trumping critical thinking. Ultimately a great deal of consumer value was destroyed due to the presumption of wrongdoing.

Thanks for the recommendation, I'll check it out.

Re: Bell, Telus to use Nokia and Ericsson, not Huawei, in building their 5G networks

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Post by throwaway2048 »

billfruit wrote: post #183
bb123 wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The issue isn't the product itself - the issue is that the company that produces is controlled by an outwardly hostile foreign nation that has a history of carrying out state sponsored cyber attacks against critical infrastructure in the west.

West's hands are not clean, perhaps even more blatantly smeared on doing state sponsored disruption of infrastructure: Remember stuxnet and the problems they created in Venezuelas national oil company. In the case of China/Huawei the hostile posturing has been largely coming from US/West and not from China. I see much anti China rhetoric emenating from US, but comparatively less the other way round.

It's irrelevant if the west's hands are clean, we are talking about a decision that effects western nations themselves.

Even if they preformed economic espionage, why in the world would they allow themselves to be put into a position where it can easily be done to them?

Re: Bell, Telus to use Nokia and Ericsson, not Huawei, in building their 5G networks

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Post by abledon »

m23khan wrote: post #175

As a Canadian, I would say that if Huawei was not selected due to issues relating to national security -- then why not take some time to setup a crown corporation / Government-owned company and have them develop indigenous hardware/software for 5G networks? I am sure if Canadians can develop their own smartphones, space mission components (Canada arm) and airplanes, they can develop 5G network equipment.

things move slow in government that would take like probably 15 years, and in the mean time every other nation would have an advantage of 5G.

Re: Bell, Telus to use Nokia and Ericsson, not Huawei, in building their 5G networks

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Post by giarc »

m23khan wrote: post #175

As a Canadian, I would say that if Huawei was not selected due to issues relating to national security -- then why not take some time to setup a crown corporation / Government-owned company and have them develop indigenous hardware/software for 5G networks? I am sure if Canadians can develop their own smartphones, space mission components (Canada arm) and airplanes, they can develop 5G network equipment.

Starting from scratch would mean we would have 5G when everyone else is upgrading from the "old, outdated" 5G technology.

Re: Bell, Telus to use Nokia and Ericsson, not Huawei, in building their 5G networks

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Post by giarc »

majormjr wrote: post #171
gdsdfe wrote: post #160

Canadians don't realize how high their telco bills are because that's their reality they don't know prices elsewhere and the closest neighbour have also high prices

Oh we realize they are extremely expensive, unfortunately there isn't much we can do to increase telco competition with the current regulatory boards such as CRTC.

The only trick I have heard of to get lower rates is to rent a PO box in SK, sign up for Sasktel and get a SK number (Sasktel being government owned has lower rates I guess). Seems pretty complicated though.
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