US Park Police denies using tear gas on peaceful protesters

Post by joshstrange » Wed, Jun 03, 2020, 2:32 PM UTC

barbegal wrote: post #10

joshstrange wrote: post #9

"A rose by any other name would smell as sweet" They want to say it was just smoke grenades and pepper balls... Which the CDC defines as "tear gas".

Where does the CDC define pepper balls as "tear gas"? It defines them as "riot control agents" in this document https://emergency.cdc.gov/agent/riotcontrol/factsheet.asp saying that these are "sometimes referred to as “tear gas”" The CDC defines chloroacetophenone (CN) as tear gas https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/ershdb/emergencyresponsecard_29750... Pepper balls contain oleoresin capsicum (OC) which is different in terms o…

Post by brenden2 » Wed, Jun 03, 2020, 2:44 PM UTC

afandian wrote: post #7

Yanu-3452 wrote: post #6

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Step 1 is disarm the police.. UK police aren't armed, which means that they are well trained in de-escalation because it's the main thing that's protecting them. One of the biggest worries of introducing tasers is that it diminishes that aspect. Why try to calm someone down if you can reach for your taser instead. In the US they reach for a handgun instead. Disarm the police. That might require disarming the populati…

Some of the most calm Americans I know have a gun or two, it's so normal. Given America is where it is, I can't see how you take that first step. That's the deadlock.

Post by sukilot » Wed, Jun 03, 2020, 2:46 PM UTC

chkaloon wrote: post #12

This argument is a purposeful distraction by the administration's supporters. The focus should be on the fact that a protest was cleared so the president could do a silly photo op. A blasphemous photo op. This "tear gas" argument is a red herring meant to distract from the real issue. And the media is falling for it.

Post by kyleee » Wed, Jun 03, 2020, 2:48 PM UTC

thinkingemote wrote: post #8

afandian wrote: post #5

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One thing I find fascinating about the USA, from the outside, is the preoccupation with the rituals of democracy (and simultaneous disenfranchisement and gerrymandering). A huge number of public posts that in the UK would be handled as run-of-the-mill employment seem to be voted on in the States. Surely that is the nominated mechanism of mandate and subsequent accountability? In the UK we have policing by consent whi…

there are a couple of criminological issues too which are important with regards to UK and USA. Concept of punishment - in the USA punishment is most often about vengeance, retribution and restitution. It's why victims families can watch the criminal get executed when on death row. In many other countries and the UK there is no death penalty, and punishment is more about the deprivation of liberty of the criminal and…

Post by sukilot » Wed, Jun 03, 2020, 2:50 PM UTC

Yanu-3452 wrote: post #6

afandian wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One thing I find fascinating about the USA, from the outside, is the preoccupation with the rituals of democracy (and simultaneous disenfranchisement and gerrymandering). A huge number of public posts that in the UK would be handled as run-of-the-mill employment seem to be voted on in the States. Surely that is the nominated mechanism of mandate and subsequent accountability? In the UK we have policing by consent whi…

Step 1 is disarm the police.. UK police aren't armed, which means that they are well trained in de-escalation because it's the main thing that's protecting them. One of the biggest worries of introducing tasers is that it diminishes that aspect. Why try to calm someone down if you can reach for your taser instead. In the US they reach for a handgun instead. Disarm the police. That might require disarming the populati…