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The Italian Covid contact-tracing app is now developed in open source

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Post by danjac »

IneffablePigeon wrote: post #139
danjac wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suspect a certain government advisor, notorious for driving across country during a lockdown as a bizarre form of eye test, wants to siphon private information to data mining companies owned by his friends in order to manipulate future elections. And the GDPR, as far as I am aware, only applies if you are in, or doing business with, the EU, which the UK is no longer part of thanks to the aforementioned government a…

The GDPR still applies and will continue to by default, as far as I know. After the transition period the UK would have the choice to repeal or change it but I'm not aware of any push to do so.

Given the transition period is to end in January 2021, very likely with "no deal" given the current chatter coming out of London and Brussels, the GDPR will only be in force for another few months. I very much doubt the "Vote Leave" gang will want to replace it with a UK equivalent with the same teeth.

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Post by jlokier »

fatline wrote: post #129
jlokier wrote: post #126

Last I read the UK intends to centrally retain proximity-contact data for 20 years. Rather than deleting when it is decided it's no longer needed to deal with the pandemic. The UK has also refused to legally commit to not sharing the data with other government departments such as the Home Office (immigration and policing) and DWP (benefits). So much for data protection and obtaining data for a designated purpose. Wha…

> Last I read the UK intends to centrally retain proximity-contact data for 20 years. Rather than deleting when it is decided it's no longer needed to deal with the pandemic. The UK has also refused to legally commit to not sharing the data with other government departments such as the Home Office (immigration and policing) and DWP (benefits). that's scary.. any chance you can share the references for these?

"Public Health England will keep personal data of people with coronavirus for 20 years"

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/28/nhs-will-keep-...

"NHS under fire for plans to store track and trace data for 20 years"

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2020/05/28/nhs-fire-p...

"Demand NHSX spell out Covid-19 app privacy risks"

https://www.openrightsgroup.org/campaigns/protecting-digital...

"Hostile environment may stop migrants from using NHSX tracker app"

https://www.openrightsgroup.org/blog/hostile-environment-may...

"NHS test and trace privacy doc throws doubt on app’s “anonymity” claims"

https://tech.newstatesman.com/coronavirus/nhs-test-and-trace...

"The privacy risks of the NHSX tracing app are both less and more serious than you think"

https://tech.newstatesman.com/security/nhsx-contact-tracing-...

"Immigration Bill brings surveillance to EU migrants" (This is about exemptions to data protection law for immigration purposes, which affects citizens and non-citizens alike.)

https://www.openrightsgroup.org/blog/immigration-bill-brings...

"Scotland’s different path on contact tracing is to be welcomed, but questions remain"

https://scotland.openrightsgroup.org/blog/scotlands-differen...

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Post by mattsouth »

fatline wrote: post #129
jlokier wrote: post #126

Last I read the UK intends to centrally retain proximity-contact data for 20 years. Rather than deleting when it is decided it's no longer needed to deal with the pandemic. The UK has also refused to legally commit to not sharing the data with other government departments such as the Home Office (immigration and policing) and DWP (benefits). So much for data protection and obtaining data for a designated purpose. Wha…

> Last I read the UK intends to centrally retain proximity-contact data for 20 years. Rather than deleting when it is decided it's no longer needed to deal with the pandemic. The UK has also refused to legally commit to not sharing the data with other government departments such as the Home Office (immigration and policing) and DWP (benefits). that's scary.. any chance you can share the references for these?

One reference: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/31/privacy-campai...

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Post by stormdennis »

jlokier wrote: post #136
stormdennis wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You cannot draw simple conclusions I believe but still the stats show that Black and Hispanic police are as likely or more likely to kill people of color as white officers https://www.citylab.com/equity/2019/08/police-officer-shooti... With regard to your second point, you're hinting at something, why don't you spell out your aetiology for the high levels of crime along black people along with your evidence for that…

> Black and Hispanic police are as likely or more likely to kill people of color as white officers If that's true, it suggests the racism problem is more serious than we thought; that police of all colors may be endemically racist as a group; that it's not just mainly white police. That said, we don't see black-on-black murders of innocent people so much. This might be due the symbolism of white-on-black murders in b…

>That said, we don't see black-on-black murders of innocent people so much.

Really? The murder rate inside the black community is massively higher than within any other community in America. Also black people murder more white people than vice versa. If you take account of the different community sizes the disparity becomes even more extreme. If this is coming as news to you I don't know where you've been all your life.

Re: The Italian Covid contact-tracing app is now developed in open source

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Post by usrusr »

gowld wrote: post #60
usrusr wrote: post #58

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Not just unrestricted usage, exclusive unrestricted usage, which is why it could be a problem (instead of just being a simple case of dual licencing) if the contract claims rights to off-hours work. German law has a clear distinction between authorship rights and usage rights. Usage rights, including reproduction, can be sold, rented, perhaps even taken illegally at gunpoint, I don't know. It's just your run off the…

What does it mean to inherit authorship? Can I be th author of something my grandmother created? Can I bequeath my athorship to some corporation?

Inheritance is very relevant in those special fields where a regulated compensation scheme exists in parallel to the sale of usage rights (literature and musical scores). The organisations that are responsible for distribution are kind of notorious for being dominated by heirs. Unsurprisingly, because current creators create, whereas heirs focus all their energy on maximising the harvest.

Another implication that occasionally comes up to freak everybody out is that there is some legal basis for creators to have a word in changes to their work, which can be a total PITA for organizations that once commissioned a building from a famous architect who left assertive offspring.

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Post by BjoernKW »

legulere wrote: post #94
BjoernKW wrote: post #49

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Under German law copyright is non-transferrable. However, the copyright holder can grant another party unlimited usage rights as well as waive the right to be mentioned as the actual copyright holder. Both of these might apply here: SAP's and Deutsche Telekom's employees most likely have waived their right to be mentioned as individual copyright holders (which is a common stipulation in German employment contracts) w…

You shouldn’t really call the German Author’s Rights Copyright, because it works dirfferently

The legal system is different. However, copyright is the closest common law approximation.

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Post by ubanholzer »

etqwzutewzu wrote: post #32

Switzerland's app is opensource. https://github.com/DP-3T

All Repositories:

Android repository: https://github.com/DP-3T/dp3t-app-android-ch

iOS repository: https://github.com/DP-3T/dp3t-app-ios-ch

Covidcode Frontend: https://github.com/admin-ch/CovidCode-UI

App backend: https://github.com/DP-3T/dp3t-sdk-backend

App config backend: https://github.com/DP-3T/dp3t-config-backend-ch

Covidcode backend: https://github.com/admin-ch/CovidCode-Service

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Post by Mediterraneo10 »

stormdennis wrote: post #104
Mediterraneo10 wrote: post #101

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I would be prepared to raise lockdowns and "sacrifice the elderly" (no, I don't hope they die, I would just advocate instead for better equipping care homes with PPE and sealing them off from visitors) for the sake of younger people. But it isn't really how I myself may be affected, as my existing lifestyle of remote work and reclusive living in the countryside handles the lockdown quite well. Rather, I am concerned…

I agree with you but people being intimate with one or two other people from their locale is a whole different scenario to the protests I've seen where people are ignoring the most basic precautions in crowds numbering thousands.

Where do you think many people find others to be intimate with if not at mass events? Pubs, discos, music festivals, block parties, etc. are the sort of places where young people have always had an outlet to get their fuck on or establish serious relationships that lead to a family, and therefore IMHO it was wrong to prohibit them and go into lockdown for the sake of the elderly (who could be kept protected in some other way). And if those other large events for entertainment and socializing’s sake should permitted, then it would make no sense to complain about political protests being held.

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Post by toohotatopic »

stormdennis wrote: post #96
toohotatopic wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this also true for being killed by a black police officer? If so, please add a reference. Otherwise it's quite expected that in a segregated society, people are killed by in-group members. This would only be different if there is a huge number of lynch mobs. That said, there is another issue hidden beneath 'by a wide margin'. It's also bizarre that there is so much more crime among black people, and that blacks ar…

You cannot draw simple conclusions I believe but still the stats show that Black and Hispanic police are as likely or more likely to kill people of color as white officers https://www.citylab.com/equity/2019/08/police-officer-shooti... With regard to your second point, you're hinting at something, why don't you spell out your aetiology for the high levels of crime along black people along with your evidence for that…

Fair argument. If you are interested in a moved goalpost: If 9 out of 10 officers are black in a black neighborhood, then the majority of victims is shot by black officers. The question is: How are black people treated when they are in a non-black neighborhood.

My 'aetiology', I think it comes down to less opportunities. Without discipline that comes from a stable environment, motivation can easily turn to violence and crime. This leads to difference in police behavior. I have nothing to back this up and I don't know how to 'cure' this.

To bring this back to the start: All I want to say is that the protests are not that bizarre. America is the cultural center of the West, people are as informed about this incident as they are about their local news. Many don't want to live in a racist future, even more so for their children. So they risk the lives of their parents to improve the lives of their children.

Was this a death caused by racism? I don't know. It appears to be. Thus the protests.

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