There is video of police discreetly unloading bricks to later bait the unsuspecting protester into using them.
Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28
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Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28
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You asked where they were located. I answered.
You replied to the question if they were intentionally picked from the crowd for being journalists. Not where they were located.
And some were in the crowd and others were apart of crowd. No, they were not randomly stumbled upon nor are these cases of being randomly hit while police attacks indiscriminately. Through such cases exists too.
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The onus is on both. One may be able to do it better, and more conveniently, but everyone's responsible for doing their bit in ceasing and stopping violence.
You understand why the protests started though, right? It's not like the protesters can say "ok, if we stop protesting now, will you please consider following the law?" How to you expect protesters to deescalate this with absolutely nothing changing and high level LE people still not accepting any blame and pushing for military help?
Took me a minute to realize you meant Law Enforcement and not Lawful Evil here. I guess in this case it's the same.
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I've had the opposite experience in Chicago. I live in a high rise in the loop. I was able to watch the "protests", "riots", whatever from above. I'm sure I'll get flagged but these are my honest impressions on the behavior of the CPD and the protestors. My biggest takeaway is local events translate to global action in the crowd (police or protestors). And it leads to all this misunderstanding. "What I was just stand…
I think you're underestimating the effect of corralling people with bridges and police lines. And then shutting down CTA. It's subtle escalation, but it's escalation. There's a very blurry line between "control the people after our jobs" and "keep people safe" and nothing about CPDs behavior looked like "keep people safe". Police escalate conflict simply by showing up, especially in riot gear.
I respect your opinion but...
If the police were not there my life would have been at imminent risk. And if the police show up their lives are at imminent risk. So the cops have to show up and they have to wear riot gear.
I've had to live with months of protest downtown. People protesting to release prisoners because of coronavirus. People protesting to lift the coronavirus lock downs. In those cases there was no riot gear. Minimal police presence. When Friday's protest came around it immediately felt different. The people were much more angry and much more hostile.
People were looking at the Minneapolis riots with envy. People were shouting about the righteous cause of riots and looting. "Its the language of the unheard." Despite noble protestations that they were only going to loot the wealthy corporations with fat insurance contracts, they ended up looting everything. They ended up shooting each other far from police lines. They ended up burning police cars that were parked far away from police lines. They lit buildings on fire that could have very easily spread to neighboring apartment buildings.
You said:
> nothing about CPDs behavior looked like "keep people safe"
I disagree. "People" are more than just the rioters. They are rioters. They are residents in the immediate area. They are residents outside the immediate area who were spared the carnage by virtue of CPD's actions.
You can talk all you want about "subtle escalations". But truth be told anything the "authorities" do will be considered an escalation because the mob is not rational. It is primed to perceive anything and everything as a reason to execute its collective will.
Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28
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There are a lot of people out there who have important things that have to do with their health. Just because someone is not in an ambulance doesn't mean they don't have somewhere important to be. Not everyone with a medical condition rides in an ambulance.
But the vast majority of medical conditions where routing around a protest or road closure would cause serious harm to an individual are probably in ambulances.
Not really sure what your point is regarding 'vast majority'. How many people's lives are acceptable to endanger?
Just today, an interstate was shut down unexpectedly because of protesters. What about everyone who was trapped on that highway and could not move, let alone reroute?
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From all the videos/pictures circulating I see both sides doing cheap-shots to escalate the situation and prove that their narrative is the right one. But when will people take a step back and start asking themselves; who profits on this turmoil?
Do you have any concrete examples where the protesters instigated the violence? I have not been able to find any.
Well a police officer was killed trying to prevent a store being looted. But many people here consider looting as justified and warranted in the current circumstances - shop owners should grin and bear it for the greater cause - so it may not be what you are asking for.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/small-town-police-chief-killed-off...
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From what I can tell your only change was to add the word “unwarranted” before destruction. Could you please help us understand your position on “Should abusive officers be reprimanded?” And if we agree they should be reprimanded, what are your thought on how we build that system? The system where we the civilians who witness or are victims of the abuse and other “good cops” who witness the abuse, can get legal ways…
He seems happy to accept that 1% (as a placeholder) of cops are murderers, and there's nothing we can do about that. (He claimed that in the context of property damage, which hides the actual implications of that carelessness, because it wasn't police property damage that triggered this current unrest...) I _strongly_ disagree. A cop committing assault or murder, while on the job, is a thing society needs to take gre…
Parent said property damage, not me. So your uncharitable assumptions about my intentions are way off on that point. If you want to reframe the issue from property damage to killing unarmed civilians, take it up with the parent. We were talking about the video of the cop randomly smashing windows.
Not surprisingly, your straw man is just as bad. Nobody said or implied anything remotely close to a “shit happens” attitude. Did you just not read the next sentence or something?
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You understand why US cops are so heavy handed though, right? It may be because they have to deal with a population with 3 guns per capita, where the amount of police killed per year on duty(even disregarding accidents) is more akin to a third world country than anything going on in the EU. > and high level LE people still not accepting any blame I don't know how you get that from OP saying that both sides need to de…
> where the amount of police killed per year on duty(even disregarding accidents) is more akin to a third world country than anything going on in the EU. Police officers in the US face 12.9 fatalities per 100,000 workers. In comparison, construction workers see 14.3, agricultural workers see 17.7, farmers and ranchers around 24 and truck drivers 26.9. Being an officer is not even close to the top most dangerous jobs…
> Being an officer is not even close to the top most dangerous jobs in the US
This is a strawman. I never claimed this, and yet refuting it is apparently the core point of your post. Please proofread your posts before accusing someone of being objectively wrong on a matter which they never made a claim.
Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28
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There are a lot of people out there who have important things that have to do with their health. Just because someone is not in an ambulance doesn't mean they don't have somewhere important to be. Not everyone with a medical condition rides in an ambulance.
But the vast majority of medical conditions where routing around a protest or road closure would cause serious harm to an individual are probably in ambulances.
So just roll the dice that you’re not going to hurt anyone by blocking traffic? Who’s responsible if something does go wrong? That’s going to really help the cause.
Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28
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That looks very suspicious, but if this were really a widespread technique by the police, I'm assuming there would be more than a single video taken. I mean, we know the black bloc and similar groups engages in these tactics, they've been doing it since Seattle WTO 1999. I've seen it in person to protests I've been to (as a protester). It's very hard for me to believe that all of a sudden those people are no longer a…
I find the bigger issue to be the videos of police doing nothing to thwart blatant vandalism, and the contrast of those videos with the unprovoked attacks on what appear to be peaceful protesters. The “politically convenient group” seems to be anyone being destructive, like ... https://twitter.com/SARAHKSTUDIO/status/1267371809084567554/... ... white women? The sum of causing unnecessary damage and turning a blind ey…
Considering that police are being beaten badly and some killed attempting to stop
"protestors", I think it's not surprising that many have chosen to do nothing. Better safe than sorry.
Actually, there are dozens of different videos showing police being badly beaten as they attempt to stop vandalism. They just don't make the news as this isn't "progressive".
https://abcnews.go.com/US/small-town-police-chief-killed-off...
https://www.insider.com/george-floyd-protests-violence-again...