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Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by bobbean »

99_00 wrote: post #415
aoeusnth1 wrote: post #392

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Police do use teargas and mace for no reason. There are dozens (hundreds?) of videos of exactly that from the last week, including an aerial shot of Seattle PD instigating with mace at point blank range on protesters who were behind a barricade.

Were they lawfully ordered to clear the area before using force? If the lawful order was give, was it because criminals were using the peaceful protest as cover?

Who decides when to enforce that law? Who decides if something is lawful or not?

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by ravenstine »

non-entity wrote: post #448
ravenstine wrote: post #139

A reporter at my previous workplace, KPCC, was shot in the neck with a rubber bullet on Saturday. https://laist.com/2020/05/31/reporters_injured_protests_poli... It's unfortunate that it's gotten to this point for people to take police brutality at least somewhat seriously. I'm mistaken for being pro-police and anti-BLM merely because I'm against the looting and rioting. I've always had the stance that the police in…

> It's unfortunate that it's gotten to this point for people to take police brutality at least somewhat seriously. They still aren't taking it seriously. People are still bending over backwards to justify violence and police incompetence against even peaceful protestors and press members. They're cheering for people to be run down in the street, etc. Nothing is getting better and things I fear things will only get wo…

I don't know who you are talking about. This isn't meant to be an insult, but I don't know a single person anywhere on the political spectrum that is trying to justify police incompetence and violence. That sounds like a very fringe view.

I agree with you in that things probably will only get worse.

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by joshuamorton »

lawnchair_larry wrote: post #430
staticassertion wrote: post #355

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You decided you were better off without me, fine, save your own store. For what it's worth, this is why people hate cops! No one said anything about all cops being worthless, and you're saying that victims of crimes deserve it for not praising police brutality.

You literally said “this is why people hate cops” right before saying that nobody said that about “all cops”. There are other examples all over this thread. Nobody is complaining about a specific cop, they’re generalizing everything to “cops”. That’s what that is. you're saying that victims of crimes deserve it for not praising police brutality How do you expect anyone to take you seriously with such absurd fabricati…

Yes, when you said

> You decided you were better off without me, fine, save your own store.

That was you saying that people who don't support police don't deserve police protection.

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by oh_sigh »

jascii wrote: post #133

Disclaimer: I am a bleeding heart liberal and this may filter my observations. I have been to a few rallies/vigils/marches lately and all incidences of violence that I have witnessed either in person or through media has been instigated by the police. As far as I know,every documented case where a formerly peaceful crowd turns into chaos has been started with police shooting pepperspray, teargas, or whatever into the…

Consider that the police are heavily networked, whereas the crowd is not. It's possible that one section of the crowd is antagonizing the police, the police respond as a whole, but you have no idea why because you were 200' away in a different section of the crowd and didn't know about what that other section was doing.

> that the police is desperately trying to set a narrative to justify a history of violence by escalating more violence, but please, someone, restore my faith.

The police is composed of a bunch of individuals. It is highly unlikely that there is any kind of conspiracy to set the narrative of excessive violence by being...excessively violent? It doesn't even logically follow.

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by selimthegrim »

rayiner wrote: post #484
throwablePie wrote: post #350

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Race relations between Oakland's black residents and Oakland police have been fraught for decades (probably at least since the founding of the Black Panther Party in Oakland in the 60s). But that doesn't justify the violent actions you've described. Unfortunately, some senior "dog whistle" politicians have labeled protesters "thugs" and "looters" and have called for "shooting" and "no quarter." These loose words are…

While I think Cotton is a jackass, I can’t help but notice how your first paragraph is about Oakland, California, and your second paragraph is about a guy who is a Senator in Kentucky.[1] Oakland has had a Democratic mayor since 1977. California routinely has a super-majority of Democrats in the state legislature, and the last Republican Federal Senator from the state left office almost 30 years ago. I don’t think it…

Oakland had had quite a bit of success in reducing police shootings as well which is sad.

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by ljm »

jascii wrote: post #133

Disclaimer: I am a bleeding heart liberal and this may filter my observations. I have been to a few rallies/vigils/marches lately and all incidences of violence that I have witnessed either in person or through media has been instigated by the police. As far as I know,every documented case where a formerly peaceful crowd turns into chaos has been started with police shooting pepperspray, teargas, or whatever into the…

Why else would the police get all this military equipment that they are so eager to try out?

Never mind that you always see them as law enforcement and not a service to the community.

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Post by selimthegrim »

thatguy0900 wrote: post #425
slg wrote: post #417

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> they didn't even flinched or complained or even frowned upon that brand of unprovoked abuse I have seen dozens if not over a hundred videos of the police acting inappropriately over the last few days. I have only seen a single video in which any of them were stopped or reprimanded by another cop and that one "good cop" was a woman of color. If this inappropriate behavior is done by such a small percentage of the po…

The video of George that started all this has 4 cops in it. The 3 cops that allowed him to kneel on georg's neck for 7 minutes are not being charged with anything at all. The one female cop even remarks that George should be moved to be on his side, then when she's ignored, doesn't bring it up again. Why should they police each other when nothing happens when they dont

I thought they were all males and it was the rookie that said it

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by yazaddaruvala »

lawnchair_larry wrote: post #422
vb6sp6 wrote: post #302

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"This doesn't happen" (shows a video of it happening) "This isn't widespread" So how many videos do you need to see? 2? 10? 15???

Would you find it acceptable to shoot some footage of a handful of looting/arsonist incidents and proclaiming “protesters are doing X”, just like we are complaining that “police” are doing X? Or would you correct someone and say that isn’t happening, and when confronted with a video of someone somewhere doing a bad thing, inform them of the fact that a few cherry picked anecdotes do not represent the activity of the…

No one disagrees that in any group only a small number of bad actors are causing this issue.

However, when a civilian acts inappropriately there are legal consequences. When a police office acts inappropriately there are few legal consequences and they are very-very-rarely enforced.

I'll ask the question differently,

"Is destruction of property what you expect from rioters?" Yes, 1% or less of rioters are going to be stupid. "Should they be reprimanded?" Sadly yes, and we have specialized government entities that can utilize appropriate-force to reprimand them.

"Is destruction of property what you expect from police?" No, not even from the 1% or less that want to be stupid. That is unacceptable, their job is to protect and serve. Even from each other. "Should they be reprimanded?" Yes! but we as civilians have no legal way to do this, and even the "good cops" have no good way to do this.

What are your answers to these questions lawnchair_larry?

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by oh_sigh »

viraptor wrote: post #280
brobdingnagians wrote: post #225

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The onus is on both. One may be able to do it better, and more conveniently, but everyone's responsible for doing their bit in ceasing and stopping violence.

You understand why the protests started though, right? It's not like the protesters can say "ok, if we stop protesting now, will you please consider following the law?" How to you expect protesters to deescalate this with absolutely nothing changing and high level LE people still not accepting any blame and pushing for military help?

You understand why US cops are so heavy handed though, right? It may be because they have to deal with a population with 3 guns per capita, where the amount of police killed per year on duty(even disregarding accidents) is more akin to a third world country than anything going on in the EU.

> and high level LE people still not accepting any blame

I don't know how you get that from OP saying that both sides need to de-escalate.

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