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Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by non-entity »

chillwaves wrote: post #399
davidw wrote: post #357

It's a pity that some on the left in the past have been so ready with the word 'fascism'. It's a serious word describing a serious problem, and it should not be used casually for "people on the right I disagree with". I believe that the word is appropriate to describe this administration.

That's your take-away from all this? You really felt this comment needs to exist? It's interesting what some people's priorities are.

The irony is that the right seems to be abusing the word more than the left does these day. It seems to be a catch-all for people who are mean to me on the internet for them.

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by adjkant »

chasd00 wrote: post #299
99_00 wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why did the police shoot teargas and pepper spray into the crowd?

My guess would be curfew, crowd was told to leave, and it didn't. That's when teargas starts getting fired from my experience ( crowd told to go home and it doesn't ).

I read this as "stop using your constitutional right to protest or we will attack you". These curfews are clearly being used to suppress protests, and I think disobedience is crucial here and does not justify police brutality in any way against otherwise peaceful protesters. Again as others have pointed out, a small group of violent protestors does not give police the right to attack clearly nonviolent protestors either.

I think if we banned police from getting near these protests at all / only getting involved with people causing physical violence, it would be a great step to actually minimizing the exact things the curfews are intended to address.

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by davidw »

inetknght wrote: post #434
davidw wrote: post #357

It's a pity that some on the left in the past have been so ready with the word 'fascism'. It's a serious word describing a serious problem, and it should not be used casually for "people on the right I disagree with". I believe that the word is appropriate to describe this administration.

In many cases I don't think it's being used casually.

I'm old enough to have seen it plenty in the past.

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by mythrwy »

deanCommie wrote: post #120
zubspace wrote: post #36

Here's another article uncovering the brutality of the police [1]. Some of the scenes are really inhuman [2] and I feel sorry for the poor people trying to make their voices heard. I hope, that both sides, the protesters and police force will find a way, to exit that spiral of violence. But right now it looks like this won't happen. It's a shame. If the state acts harder against protesters, journalists and civilian b…

> I hope, that both sides, the protesters and police force will find a way, to exit that spiral of violence. But right now it looks like this won't happen. It's a shame. Is it a shame? The only way this de-escalates is if the police violently repress the protests so hard that dissent is silenced. Which is what Trump wants. Which will only push the country further into authoritarianism. And the police have shown thems…

Violent revolution (attempted anyway) probably will produce societal change. It just won't be the kind you are hoping for.

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by mcguire »

gruez wrote: post #290
dmix wrote: post #284

This policy introduced into congress sounds like a helpful solution: > "Ending Qualified Immunity Act," which would allow civil lawsuits against police, a recourse that the Supreme Court has all but done away with. https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2020/06/01/us/politics/01reu... That plus the laundry list of obvious issues with criminal justice that any defense attorney could list off hand.

Is qualified immunity really the issue? The general impression I have is that PDs/DAs straight up refuse to investigate/prosecute abuses of power. It's not like we have a bunch of cases where the case was airtight, but the officer was being acquitted because of qualified immunity.

Qualified immunity affects civil suits, not criminal prosecution. If the police department or district attorneys refuse to investigate or prosecute, qualified immunity means that cannot sue for recourse (under some qualifications).

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by [deleted] »

jascii wrote: post #133

Disclaimer: I am a bleeding heart liberal and this may filter my observations. I have been to a few rallies/vigils/marches lately and all incidences of violence that I have witnessed either in person or through media has been instigated by the police. As far as I know,every documented case where a formerly peaceful crowd turns into chaos has been started with police shooting pepperspray, teargas, or whatever into the…

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Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by mythrwy »

Loughla wrote: post #131
bosswipe wrote: post #91

I had been heartened by the right's recent upswing in fierce support for the first amendment, but unfortunately I've seen little of that support during the protests as freedom of assembly and freedom of the press have been attacked. For example Rand Paul has not tweeted in a week. Sadly, as always, these kind of principled arguments, on both sides, are a sham to advance whatever the partisan battle of the week is.

I honestly wish there was anyone in Washington who seemed willing or able to lead in a bipartisan manner. Someone who didn't rely on the partisan firestorm of the week to get support. It's all very disheartening, and hard to explain to my children.

I wish we could ban political parties (pipe dream I know).

What positive are they doing for us at this juncture?

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by davidw »

chillwaves wrote: post #399
davidw wrote: post #357

It's a pity that some on the left in the past have been so ready with the word 'fascism'. It's a serious word describing a serious problem, and it should not be used casually for "people on the right I disagree with". I believe that the word is appropriate to describe this administration.

That's your take-away from all this? You really felt this comment needs to exist? It's interesting what some people's priorities are.

Do you have anything substantive to say?

Do you disagree that this behavior - assaulting journailsts - is fascist? Calling them the 'enemy of the people'?

One of my senators used it as well and that's not the kind of thing they toss around lightly.

https://twitter.com/RonWyden/status/1267605801549664256

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by davidw »

non-entity wrote: post #451
chillwaves wrote: post #399

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's your take-away from all this? You really felt this comment needs to exist? It's interesting what some people's priorities are.

The irony is that the right seems to be abusing the word more than the left does these day. It seems to be a catch-all for people who are mean to me on the internet for them.

'These days', the word is appropriate to describe the administration, was my point. I don't think it's hyperbole.

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by tw04 »

jascii wrote: post #133

Disclaimer: I am a bleeding heart liberal and this may filter my observations. I have been to a few rallies/vigils/marches lately and all incidences of violence that I have witnessed either in person or through media has been instigated by the police. As far as I know,every documented case where a formerly peaceful crowd turns into chaos has been started with police shooting pepperspray, teargas, or whatever into the…

Nobody shot tear gas into the crowd that burned down the 3rd precinct in Minneapolis. It was the exact OPPOSITE. Police left the premises hours prior to the gathering.
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