This is what happens when the majority of your country engages in groupthink and divisive labeling.
This goes to the police, journalists, rioters, looters and protesters. You all have failed the individual.
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Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28
#352Earlier quoted context omitted.
I bet the reason for these journalists ending up in the line of attack is not violation of curfew, but a violation of a lawful order to disperse. I am impressed so many people on HN do not seem to understand the concept and reasoning behind it.
The first amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America supersedes local ordnances, and journalists absolutely do no have to disperse when police issues such an order to the general public.
i find that very hard to believe. Crowds are ordered to disperse when things are getting dangerous or a curfew put in place by an elected official has passed. I don't see any plausible reason why dispersal wouldn't apply to the whole crowd and only a subset.
Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28
#353Earlier quoted context omitted.
> journalists absolutely do no have to disperse when police issues such an order to the general public The first amendment speaks nothing about who can be where. It just denies government the right to prosecute people for making statements.
> The first amendment speaks nothing about who can be where. It just denies government the right to prosecute people for making statements. "just" free speech? Might want to check your pocket constitution again. The first amendment also protects the free press- and the freedom to assemble. (Not to mention religion and to petition for redress of grievances)
geez 3 weeks ago all those freedoms were widely thrown out the window yet now they are unassailable??
/done with HN for today
Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28
#354Since this is happening simultaneously in many different cities around the country, I have to wonder if there are private Facebook or WhatsApp or Signal groups where police members are talking about this trend. I'd very much like to see those conversations.
Facebook employees - this is how you can speak truth to power. Publish those private group communications. Name and shame the officers encouraging violence against protestors. You know it is happening, and you have the power to expose these abuses by police, military, and other extremist groups that have taken over what used to be a highly respectable profession.
If a single or even small group of employees could leak private chats without getting immediately caught then Facebook's security is completely screwed
Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28
#355Earlier quoted context omitted.
The police seem to clearly be allowing looting on purpose. SoHo was looted two days in a row . Where were the NYPD? There are 10's of thousands of uniformed officers Maybe you can say the first day they somehow missed it, but two days in a row? Come on. I refuse to believe that they didn't see this coming - they brag about how they're "gathering intel" on terrorist groups, but they couldn't check twitter to see #soho…
I just love how everyone hates cops and talks about how every single one of them is worthless yet they expects them to save their store from being looted. You decided you were better off without me, fine, save your own store.
> You decided you were better off without me, fine, save your own store.
For what it's worth, this is why people hate cops! No one said anything about all cops being worthless, and you're saying that victims of crimes deserve it for not praising police brutality.
Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28
#356Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I hope, that both sides, the protesters and police force will find a way, to exit that spiral of violence. The two sides are massively unequal in terms of power, the onus is on the police to stop the violence.
The onus is on both. One may be able to do it better, and more conveniently, but everyone's responsible for doing their bit in ceasing and stopping violence.
This is mitigating garbage trying to avoid blame, and more both-sides junk that will excuse anything so long as quiet (not "peace", that would be something else) is restored. This is an unusual protest of the usual systemic violence and prejudice of police and government.
There are people to blame and it is not everyone's responsibility to make it easy and comfortable for the channel surfers at home.
Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28
#357It's a pity that some on the left in the past have been so ready with the word 'fascism'. It's a serious word describing a serious problem, and it should not be used casually for "people on the right I disagree with". I believe that the word is appropriate to describe this administration.
Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28
#358Earlier quoted context omitted.
To me, it was pretty clear that the police in Santa Monica and Long Beach allowed the looting to occur while treating the protesters like criminals from the outset. This isn't to say that other local precincts weren't significantly better in their treatment of protesters, but there's clear evidence that many police departments are either corrupt or completely inept in addressing violent crime. This has been a long ti…
The police seem to clearly be allowing looting on purpose. SoHo was looted two days in a row . Where were the NYPD? There are 10's of thousands of uniformed officers Maybe you can say the first day they somehow missed it, but two days in a row? Come on. I refuse to believe that they didn't see this coming - they brag about how they're "gathering intel" on terrorist groups, but they couldn't check twitter to see #soho…
On the topic of police refusing to do their job in order to punish backlash.
https://twitter.com/MplsWard3/status/1267891878801915904
> Politicians who cross the MPD find slowdowns in their wards. After the first time I cut money from the proposed police budget, I had an uptick in calls taking forever to get a response, and MPD officers telling business owners to call their councilman about why it took so long.
Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28
#359Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do you have a reading comprehension disability? I am pretty sure I did not say they should have killed him.
I can’t respond to your earlier comment: but people aren’t saying he’s a saint; they’re making him a martyr of sorts. He died from police brutality, and instead of trying to fix that (over the past few decades ), the police and President have waged civil war.
Civil War? More blacks are killed by blacks - far more than blacks are killed by police. That is the real civil war. When are black leaders going to address that?
Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28
#360Earlier quoted context omitted.
It’s the same here in Seattle as it was while I was in Berkeley during Ferguson. People protest peacefully, and police shoot tear gas into the crowd and attack whomever they can get their hands on. I’ll admit, the outright brutality I saw in-person in Oakland was worse than what I’ve seen here in the recent days. In Oakland, the police would purposely corral protestors into groups and literally beat the shit out of t…
In a small suburb of San Diego the protest stopped traffic. Police forced the protesters off and then riots started and two banks were burnt down. Two weeks ago a San Diego police deputy was released from jail after serving only six months after sexually assaulting (why forced oral sex is not rape I’m not sure) 16 women that had called the police for help. He does not have to register as a sexual offender. Protesting…
Stopping traffic risks the lives of people in ambulances so it’s pretty hard to condone that. Make noise, block access to some businesses, etc, but don’t block streets and cause traffic jams that could kill people FFS.