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Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by runawaybottle »

bigfudge wrote: post #325
runawaybottle wrote: post #199

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That’s exactly what I’m appealing to. Khashoggi got murdered brazenly, and nothing could be done about it. Hong Kong protestors get detained indefinitely, and nothing can be done about it. The American imperative is that we must do something about it. Our failure is that we have a threshold that needs to be met, but we do have a threshold. In most of the world there is no threshold. You can do anything, indefinitely,…

I think you underestimate how far down the road towards totalitarianism you have travelled in the last 20-30 years. There's nothing I can see that suggests you have a threshold which will spur change. Your voting systems are being more actively rigged than ever before to ensure the people most angry about police brutality will be most likely to be disenfranchised in November.

Your are describing a nightmare scenario.

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Post by jcranmer »

FpUser wrote: post #248
at-fates-hands wrote: post #141

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>> Why do cops get to lose their temper when their job is to keep the peace and enforce the law. Learn to control yourself and do your job or find another profession. TITLE 18, U.S.C., SECTION 242 DEPRIVATION OF RIGHTS UNDER COLOR OF LAW Acts under “color of any law” include acts not only done by federal, state, or local officials within the bounds or limits of their lawful authority, but also acts done without and b…

> the unlawful acts must be done while such official is purporting or pretending to act in the performance of his/her official duties This is probably the most disturbing thing I read about law enforcement. To me it translates into following: as an officer acting under "color of law" I am free to loose my temper and kill whoever the f..k I want for any reason as long as I am not doing it based on color/race/whatever.…

My understanding is that "color of law" merely refers to the state of being where a person is acting in an official capacity. It imparts no legality or illegality of actions per se, but statutes might criminalize or decriminalize activity based on whether or not a person is acting under color of law.

What GP is referring to is a provision in the federal law that specifically criminalizes police activity undertaken under color of law. (Reading the statute, in this scenario, the police officer can be charged up to and including the death penalty).

As far as I'm aware, states' statutes for murder or manslaughter do not protect people acting under color of law.

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Post by chasd00 »

exclusiv wrote: post #77
tehwebguy wrote: post #27

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Most news isn’t that, just cable news.

Where can you find credible, unbiased news coverage? I've started watching foreign news coverage of the US. It seems better, but I can't yet tell how much; all news still love the sensational stuff.

what i try to do is read the story from two sources that hate each other and try to take an average. Stay away from opinion and "analysis" pieces period.

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Post by [deleted] »

untog wrote: post #305
lawnchair_larry wrote: post #287

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In any case, it’s all the same: in a country that parades its freedom, people of color can’t protest without the president calling for them to be roughed up, and without the police willingly complying. That’s a load of bullshit and you know it. This isn’t the situation.

In all seriousness, what is incorrect about that statement? Take a look at all the video taken since Saturday, then compare it to, say, the protests against lockdowns just a few weeks ago. Surely you see the very notable difference?

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Post by viraptor »

fastball wrote: post #275
tehwebguy wrote: post #27

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Most news isn’t that, just cable news.

Most news is definitely not "journalism" either.

That's a big distinction I think. Also looking at who provides cheap and easy summaries vs raw information / deep investigation helps. Right now even if Unicorn riot is likely biased in many ways, I'll take them actually standing in the crowd doing a live stream for days than another source: https://unicornriot.ninja/

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Post by darkarmani »

SkyMarshal wrote: post #308
jascii wrote: post #133

Disclaimer: I am a bleeding heart liberal and this may filter my observations. I have been to a few rallies/vigils/marches lately and all incidences of violence that I have witnessed either in person or through media has been instigated by the police. As far as I know,every documented case where a formerly peaceful crowd turns into chaos has been started with police shooting pepperspray, teargas, or whatever into the…

Were you able to observe whether the police instigated the looting too?

So it's ok if the police use violence against protestors because there were a few looters?

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

wetmore wrote: post #324
AnimalMuppet wrote: post #247

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Don't just claim it. Supply the verification.

Why don't you ask the same thing of the person who made the original claim?

That's fair. Still, "nuh uh" is not an effective rebuttal. Asking for evidence is better than "you're wrong" or "you're a liar". "Here's evidence that you're wrong" is even stronger.

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Post by OminousWeapons »

luckylion wrote: post #252
staticassertion wrote: post #193

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The police seem to clearly be allowing looting on purpose. SoHo was looted two days in a row . Where were the NYPD? There are 10's of thousands of uniformed officers Maybe you can say the first day they somehow missed it, but two days in a row? Come on. I refuse to believe that they didn't see this coming - they brag about how they're "gathering intel" on terrorist groups, but they couldn't check twitter to see #soho…

What would you have preferred? If the police shows up and the looting does not stop, they can either use force (aka violence) to make it stop, or they can go home, essentially giving up the rule of law in the area. Not showing up can be a tactical decision: you don't have to generate more bad press and more cries about police brutality and you also don't need to quasi-officially hand over the area to the looters. The…

I would have preferred that law enforcement enforce the law. If people are looting which is illegal, they should be arrested or at least deterred. If they are violent and resist arrest then the minimum amount of force necessary to apprehend them should be used. If people are protesting peacefully which is legal, they should be left alone.

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Post by throwablePie »

jwilber wrote: post #148
jascii wrote: post #133

Disclaimer: I am a bleeding heart liberal and this may filter my observations. I have been to a few rallies/vigils/marches lately and all incidences of violence that I have witnessed either in person or through media has been instigated by the police. As far as I know,every documented case where a formerly peaceful crowd turns into chaos has been started with police shooting pepperspray, teargas, or whatever into the…

It’s the same here in Seattle as it was while I was in Berkeley during Ferguson. People protest peacefully, and police shoot tear gas into the crowd and attack whomever they can get their hands on. I’ll admit, the outright brutality I saw in-person in Oakland was worse than what I’ve seen here in the recent days. In Oakland, the police would purposely corral protestors into groups and literally beat the shit out of t…

Race relations between Oakland's black residents and Oakland police have been fraught for decades (probably at least since the founding of the Black Panther Party in Oakland in the 60s). But that doesn't justify the violent actions you've described.

Unfortunately, some senior "dog whistle" politicians have labeled protesters "thugs" and "looters" and have called for "shooting" and "no quarter." These loose words are dangerous and may be unlawful: https://lawandcrime.com/george-floyd-death/republican-senato...

As a result of these statements, some armed enforcers including police, National Guard, and U.S. military may interpret these bellicose pronouncements as a declaration of war or a granting of letters of marque and reprisal against protesters and their property.

Good leadership would call for toning down the rhetoric but leadership appears to be in short supply. Gefickt, we are.

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