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Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by pjc50 »

Loughla wrote: post #131
bosswipe wrote: post #91

I had been heartened by the right's recent upswing in fierce support for the first amendment, but unfortunately I've seen little of that support during the protests as freedom of assembly and freedom of the press have been attacked. For example Rand Paul has not tweeted in a week. Sadly, as always, these kind of principled arguments, on both sides, are a sham to advance whatever the partisan battle of the week is.

I honestly wish there was anyone in Washington who seemed willing or able to lead in a bipartisan manner. Someone who didn't rely on the partisan firestorm of the week to get support. It's all very disheartening, and hard to explain to my children.

Prisoner's dilemma. Bipartisanship is "cooperate", divisiveness is "defect". Cooperating with a defector results in losing badly. The right have worked this out and are playing "defect" continuously. And currently "winning".

We have to change the payoff matrix.

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by ashtonkem »

ravenstine wrote: post #151
jascii wrote: post #133

Disclaimer: I am a bleeding heart liberal and this may filter my observations. I have been to a few rallies/vigils/marches lately and all incidences of violence that I have witnessed either in person or through media has been instigated by the police. As far as I know,every documented case where a formerly peaceful crowd turns into chaos has been started with police shooting pepperspray, teargas, or whatever into the…

To me, it was pretty clear that the police in Santa Monica and Long Beach allowed the looting to occur while treating the protesters like criminals from the outset. This isn't to say that other local precincts weren't significantly better in their treatment of protesters, but there's clear evidence that many police departments are either corrupt or completely inept in addressing violent crime. This has been a long ti…

Or, apparently anyone criticizing them. They’re very invested in stopping that.

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by fastball »

Pfhreak wrote: post #107
exclusiv wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where can you find credible, unbiased news coverage? I've started watching foreign news coverage of the US. It seems better, but I can't yet tell how much; all news still love the sensational stuff.

There's no such thing as unbiased news coverage. Any news outlet has more stories to report than they have capacity to report. They must exhibit some bias to control for what they show. (Or, alternatively, I guess they could just randomly select news stories, but I don't think that'd be very compelling.)

Or they could only write about things they have thoroughly researched, not try to write about every event that happens, many of which they are just regurgitating from another source without any additional fact-checking or analysis anyway.

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by fastball »

tehwebguy wrote: post #27
fastball wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which in turn was perhaps caused by "the news" going from being mostly journalists to mostly pundits with the rise of mass media.

Most news isn’t that, just cable news.

Most news is definitely not "journalism" either.

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by ashtonkem »

bosswipe wrote: post #91

I had been heartened by the right's recent upswing in fierce support for the first amendment, but unfortunately I've seen little of that support during the protests as freedom of assembly and freedom of the press have been attacked. For example Rand Paul has not tweeted in a week. Sadly, as always, these kind of principled arguments, on both sides, are a sham to advance whatever the partisan battle of the week is.

That renewed interest in free speech was never genuine. At the same time they were decrying Twitter “censorship” (mostly on Twitter, I will add), they were busy trying to force laws that would forbid people boycotting Israel from ever getting a government contract. The same people who were praising protest against lock downs are now saying that being out past curfew justifies being shot with a rubber baton.

It was all partisan.

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by jonlucc »

viraptor wrote: post #250
jonlucc wrote: post #185

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I can weigh in a bit on what the police claim happened here in Indianapolis. They won't account for all of their CS deployments, which I think is crazy, but they did address why it started the other day (Saturday?). Their claim is that what they saw was some police inside the city/county building and a single person started hitting the glass on the building. Simultaneously, "previously peaceful" protesters started lo…

> blocking emergency vehicle ingress, so they let loose a bunch of (13 year expired)_CS gas. That doesn't make sense, unless they wanted the driver and other people in a not airtight emergency vehicle to end up in the gas cloud as well...

Right. And this is the justification given during a press conference the next morning; it's not some on-the-spot question asked to the deputy chief of Indianapolis Police. It's a dumb excuse. Plus, it's literally one block long. If you want police on that block, they can stop around the corner and walk in. The building isn't touching the street; it's a couple hundred feet back.

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by macintux »

at-fates-hands wrote: post #171
Loughla wrote: post #35

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Yes. It's anecdotal at best, but all of the 6 cops I know have either "Trump 2020" or "Trump No More Bullshit" or (my personal favorite) "Trump Making Liberals Cry Since 2016" flags flying above the US flag at their homes. My baseline assumption is a vast majority of police/sheriffs/troopers support Trump. Is this incorrect?

>> "Trump Making Liberals Cry Since 2016" flags flying above the US flag at their homes. I'm having a hard time understanding why this is wrong? EDIT: "Meh, I'm not going to try and explain it, I'll just downvote it." Bravo. B R A V O.

Ignoring the antisocial aspects of the wording, the U.S. flag code indicates the national flag should always be the highest in a display.

“When flags of States, cities, or localities, or pennants of societies are flown on the same halyard with the flag of the United States, the latter should always be at the peak. When the flags are flown from adjacent staffs, the flag of the United States should be hoisted first and lowered last. No such flag or pennant may be placed above the flag of the United States or to the United States flag’s right.”

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/4/7

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by rhino369 »

bosswipe wrote: post #177
Press2forEN wrote: post #166

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But aren't you supposed to defend their right to say it even if you disagree?

A couple points.

Sure, but that doesn't extend to rioting and looting.

The government has been restricting our first amendment rights to assemble for covid for 3 months. It's illegal to hold church services right now. Are we in a public heath emergency or not?

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by viraptor »

brobdingnagians wrote: post #225
steffandroid wrote: post #134

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> I hope, that both sides, the protesters and police force will find a way, to exit that spiral of violence. The two sides are massively unequal in terms of power, the onus is on the police to stop the violence.

The onus is on both. One may be able to do it better, and more conveniently, but everyone's responsible for doing their bit in ceasing and stopping violence.

You understand why the protests started though, right? It's not like the protesters can say "ok, if we stop protesting now, will you please consider following the law?"

How to you expect protesters to deescalate this with absolutely nothing changing and high level LE people still not accepting any blame and pushing for military help?

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