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Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by Loughla »

lostmsu wrote: post #68
Loughla wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait. Are you saying the law allows for police to physically attack peaceful bystanders? Am I reading you correctly?

Yes, you are. Please, refer to > https://study.com/academy/lesson/unlawful-assembly-failure-t...

So the part of that which isn't paywalled simply says that doing something illegal, or doing something legal in a threatening manner, can be broken up by police.

Maybe it's in the full-text, but where does it say police can attack non-violent bystanders? Because I'm not seeing it in there.

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by r00fus »

jdc wrote: post #66
runawaybottle wrote: post #9

I just want to say that we have to do the things necessary to differentiate ourselves from places like China or Saudi Arabia. Nothing is implicit.

While this is very disappointing news, these matters are not black and white. That is that say that even if police attack journalists in two countries, the one where it happens less frequently still outperforms the other.

Hypocrisy is a problem too. At some point, a mild improvement over totalitarianism becomes an implementation detail.

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by watwut »

lostmsu wrote: post #49
throwaway2048 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is plenty of video footage of journalists being directly targeted and attacked by the police.

Intentionally picked up from the crowd?

Either that or standing a bit away from crowd filming.

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by rocqua »

centimeter wrote: post #64
linsomniac wrote: post #2

I can imagine animosity from the leadership, for example classifying most journalists as "fake news", contributing to violence from the front line against them.

Most modern “journalism” is garbage and “fake news” is a pretty accurate description of what they’re peddling. Let’s not pretend that most institutional journalists aren’t in bed with powerful political or financial interests, or that they don’t habitually misrepresent facts for those interests.

I think that bias in the media is much more easily explained by personal bias than by being controlled by political or financial interests.

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by dnautics »

simonw wrote: post #65
lurkmurk wrote: post #51

"Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic." HN Guidelines But this is probably just my lurker observation. Not against all news but there should be at least some spark of insight of novelty. Feel free to flag now. Edit: To expand a bit.…

You don't think police attacks on journalists counts as an "interesting new phenomenon"?

It's hardly new in the us.

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by rsynnott »

lurkmurk wrote: post #51

"Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic." HN Guidelines But this is probably just my lurker observation. Not against all news but there should be at least some spark of insight of novelty. Feel free to flag now. Edit: To expand a bit.…

> unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon

Hundreds of journalists brutalised over the last week would seem to qualify, though for 'interesting' substitute 'horrifying'.

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by smileysteve »

imperio59 wrote: post #44
chadlavi wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That, and the journalists are literally there to record evidence of their abuse. Police don't like it too much when you record evidence of them, say, beating a peaceful protester, or forcing a weapon into the hands of someone already pinned to the ground.

Where have you seen cops forcing weapons into the hands of someone on the ground? I haven't seen that. Definitely seen excessive use of force against seemingly peaceful protesters, but context is everything, and a 10 second snippet does not tell the full story of the interactions between that protester and that cop for the 45 minutes leading up to those 10 seconds. I tend to reserve my judgement on those types of vid…

In Atlanta, our excessive force on Saturday evening didn't literally force a weapon into someone's hands, but several officers have now been charged, and one of the discovery items was common post police incident reports of a weapon, even though no body cam footage mentions a weapon and no weapon was found.

It's a case of officers committing perjury as to the events that occurred to figuratively put a weapon into the scene.

The DAs slides https://twitter.com/wsbtv/status/1267843835889156097/photo/1

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by lostmsu »

evan_ wrote: post #46
lostmsu wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> just ... not caring. Bash their face, mace them, just follow orders. That's how law generally works. It does not matter who violates it. If you see a problem with the law - change the law. Do not bash police officers for enforcing it.

Curfew orders have exceptions for credentialed press. The law is on the side of journalists.

I bet the reason for these journalists ending up in the line of attack is not violation of curfew, but a violation of a lawful order to disperse.

I am impressed so many people on HN do not seem to understand the concept and reasoning behind it.

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by hmcdona1 »

imperio59 wrote: post #44
chadlavi wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That, and the journalists are literally there to record evidence of their abuse. Police don't like it too much when you record evidence of them, say, beating a peaceful protester, or forcing a weapon into the hands of someone already pinned to the ground.

Where have you seen cops forcing weapons into the hands of someone on the ground? I haven't seen that. Definitely seen excessive use of force against seemingly peaceful protesters, but context is everything, and a 10 second snippet does not tell the full story of the interactions between that protester and that cop for the 45 minutes leading up to those 10 seconds. I tend to reserve my judgement on those types of vid…

There is definitely a video from a day or two ago of a cop on top of a protestor with his hand pinned to the ground the cop then moves his baton under the hand of the protester and keeps it pinned on top. He proceeds to then punch his hand trying to appear as if he wants him to let go.

Also who gives a shit if they just got verbally harassed for an hour. I don’t get to lose my shit and delete a project because someone keeps submitting bad code. Why do cops get to lose their temper when their job is to keep the peace and enforce the law. Learn to control yourself and do your job or find another profession.

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