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Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by trhway »

simonw wrote: post #22

Since this is happening simultaneously in many different cities around the country, I have to wonder if there are private Facebook or WhatsApp or Signal groups where police members are talking about this trend. I'd very much like to see those conversations.

the brain behind all this is the police union, FOP. It is a national scale organization which uses violence and threat of it to achieve its political goals. People mistakenly think that when they're dealing with local police they're dealing with local police.

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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imperio59 wrote: post #44
chadlavi wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That, and the journalists are literally there to record evidence of their abuse. Police don't like it too much when you record evidence of them, say, beating a peaceful protester, or forcing a weapon into the hands of someone already pinned to the ground.

Where have you seen cops forcing weapons into the hands of someone on the ground? I haven't seen that. Definitely seen excessive use of force against seemingly peaceful protesters, but context is everything, and a 10 second snippet does not tell the full story of the interactions between that protester and that cop for the 45 minutes leading up to those 10 seconds. I tend to reserve my judgement on those types of vid…

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Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by Someone1234 »

imperio59 wrote: post #44
chadlavi wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That, and the journalists are literally there to record evidence of their abuse. Police don't like it too much when you record evidence of them, say, beating a peaceful protester, or forcing a weapon into the hands of someone already pinned to the ground.

Where have you seen cops forcing weapons into the hands of someone on the ground? I haven't seen that. Definitely seen excessive use of force against seemingly peaceful protesters, but context is everything, and a 10 second snippet does not tell the full story of the interactions between that protester and that cop for the 45 minutes leading up to those 10 seconds. I tend to reserve my judgement on those types of vid…

> Where have you seen cops forcing weapons into the hands of someone on the ground? I haven't seen that.

https://metro.co.uk/2020/06/01/cop-put-baton-george-floyd-pr...

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by centimeter »

linsomniac wrote: post #2

I can imagine animosity from the leadership, for example classifying most journalists as "fake news", contributing to violence from the front line against them.

Most modern “journalism” is garbage and “fake news” is a pretty accurate description of what they’re peddling. Let’s not pretend that most institutional journalists aren’t in bed with powerful political or financial interests, or that they don’t habitually misrepresent facts for those interests.

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by simonw »

lurkmurk wrote: post #51

"Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic." HN Guidelines But this is probably just my lurker observation. Not against all news but there should be at least some spark of insight of novelty. Feel free to flag now. Edit: To expand a bit.…

You don't think police attacks on journalists counts as an "interesting new phenomenon"?

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by jdc »

runawaybottle wrote: post #9

I just want to say that we have to do the things necessary to differentiate ourselves from places like China or Saudi Arabia. Nothing is implicit.

While this is very disappointing news, these matters are not black and white. That is that say that even if police attack journalists in two countries, the one where it happens less frequently still outperforms the other.

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by [deleted] »

imperio59 wrote: post #44
chadlavi wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That, and the journalists are literally there to record evidence of their abuse. Police don't like it too much when you record evidence of them, say, beating a peaceful protester, or forcing a weapon into the hands of someone already pinned to the ground.

Where have you seen cops forcing weapons into the hands of someone on the ground? I haven't seen that. Definitely seen excessive use of force against seemingly peaceful protesters, but context is everything, and a 10 second snippet does not tell the full story of the interactions between that protester and that cop for the 45 minutes leading up to those 10 seconds. I tend to reserve my judgement on those types of vid…

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Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by lostmsu »

Loughla wrote: post #47
lostmsu wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> just ... not caring. Bash their face, mace them, just follow orders. That's how law generally works. It does not matter who violates it. If you see a problem with the law - change the law. Do not bash police officers for enforcing it.

Wait. Are you saying the law allows for police to physically attack peaceful bystanders? Am I reading you correctly?

Yes, you are. Please, refer to

> https://study.com/academy/lesson/unlawful-assembly-failure-t...

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by Loughla »

imperio59 wrote: post #44
chadlavi wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That, and the journalists are literally there to record evidence of their abuse. Police don't like it too much when you record evidence of them, say, beating a peaceful protester, or forcing a weapon into the hands of someone already pinned to the ground.

Where have you seen cops forcing weapons into the hands of someone on the ground? I haven't seen that. Definitely seen excessive use of force against seemingly peaceful protesters, but context is everything, and a 10 second snippet does not tell the full story of the interactions between that protester and that cop for the 45 minutes leading up to those 10 seconds. I tend to reserve my judgement on those types of vid…

So the video of the man being held down and a baton being forcibly placed into his hand, is the one I'm assuming you're calling out.

What possible context would make that okay? In what possible scenario is putting a man's hand on a weapon for the sole purpose of harming him reliant on context?

These are not meant at all to be snarky, these are my very real questions, because I'm confused by your statements.

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