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Military Helicopters Descend on Washington in Bizarre Low-Altitude Show of Force

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Post by MattGaiser »

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #62
MattGaiser wrote: post #33

I'm not an American but a Canadian who has Canadian friends down there. People who would never have considered buying guns up here are purchase one per family member down there because of the riots. You have a crazy country. Stay safe.

Have you not seen Montreal protests? Police suiting up in the same gear and getting ready to fire the same less lethal rounds in to crowds.

My friends are scared of the protestors, not the police. Their fear is that the police will not show up if overwhelmed.

Violence in Montreal seems well contained for now.

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Post by salawat »

andrewzah wrote: post #37
nodesocket wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am certain to be in the minority, but how is this much different than seeing humvee and military armored police vehicles rolling down streets as of late? The helicopters were performing recon and visuals, again how is that different than police helicopters in LA that follow high speed chases? This particular helicopter story feels overblown and out of touch.

> at least under Federal Aviation Administration rules, this maneuver was very illegal. > § 91.119 Minimum safe altitudes: (b) Over congested areas. Over any congested area of a city, town, or settlement, or over any open air assembly of persons, an altitude of 1,000 feet above the highest obstacle within a horizontal radius of 2,000 feet of the aircraft. > New York Times reporter Thomas Gibbons-Neff said that one of…

So who do you think is going to prosecute that? For that matter, how do you plan to get passed power of the Pardon the President wields?

The Senate abdicated their responsibility and chance to hold Trump accountable. This is the outcome.

I don't like the looks of either side of this bloody conflict.

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Post by pm90 »

ReticentVole wrote: post #56
somebrody wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you feel about cops murdering black people? Was that a good idea?

There was a struggle to get George Floyd out of his car, and again into a police vehicle. Bodycam footage from the police, or a statement from them, has not been provided. We don't have the full facts. We know that George Floyd was a repeat criminal, with a record of armed violence, who was being arrested for another criminal act. Having a knee on his neck so long? Police incompetence. You know what else is police in…

Because there is no systemic pattern of cops killing Australian women, over and over and over and over again and not being charged at all. The police officer responsible was immediately fired and charged with murder, of which he was convicted [0]. Justice was served, what would people protest for?

Compare that to Floyd, where it took sustained protests to get the main perpetrator arrested.

When something terrible happens once, it is sad. When it happens over and over again, its not "bad apples" but a systemic problem that needs to be fixed. The protests are about similar incidents (cops killing black Americans) happening throughout the country. The people who protest see that reality and are moved enough to get out there and do something, anything in the face of that injustice.

The basic governing principles of the criminal justice system in the US is that the punishment should fit the crime. Regardless of however flawed human being George Floyd was, he did not deserve to die as he did. Many, many Black Americans did not deserve to die.

Please educate yourself if you're genuinely interested in learning about the reason why so much of the country feels the need to come out and protest during a deadly pandemic.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Justine_Damond#Tri...

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Post by somebrody »

ReticentVole wrote: post #56
somebrody wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you feel about cops murdering black people? Was that a good idea?

There was a struggle to get George Floyd out of his car, and again into a police vehicle. Bodycam footage from the police, or a statement from them, has not been provided. We don't have the full facts. We know that George Floyd was a repeat criminal, with a record of armed violence, who was being arrested for another criminal act. Having a knee on his neck so long? Police incompetence. You know what else is police in…

> who was being arrested for another criminal act

ReticentVole believes the penalty for a criminal act is death.

> but a huge injustice and evidence of massive inequality when a man with a history of violence, in the process of resisting arrest, is killed by the same incompetent police force

Oh, you're an all-lives matter person! Why didn't you say so? Go fuck yourself.

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Post by SV_BubbleTime »

jondwillis wrote: post #25

Leaked audio of Trump call with Secretary of Defense essentially ordering use of force and control, using the term war in reference to protest/LE/Natl Guard relations, 3rd link down on https://linktr.ee/jonalmostfree

I just finished it, what is the part exactly is the problem? What is the timestamp of the offensive part?

Considering that it was a private administration call they didn’t intend to be public, I’m not sure “you gotta arrest these people” over and over is wrong.

I must have missed it in my first pass, can you help me out with a timestamp?

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Post by ironman1478 »

jondwillis wrote: post #21
ironman1478 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel the same way. What exactly can we do other than vote? Protesting doesn't seem to actually work (in America anymore at least).

Have you tried prolonged, painful protest? That’s what I am preparing myself to do, mind, body, and soul. Honesty feeling hopeful for the first time in awhile, bullish on protest and I think that tech can be leveraged in a significant way

Maybe you are right and I won't pooh-pooh anybody who participates, but what about when Freddie Grey was killed? Similar thing happened in 2015, protests around the country and that didn't seem to accomplish anything. The protests now are much larger it seems this time, but unless they go on for a while (which I hope they do), I just don't see anything changing. It seems like law enforcement isn't going to have a sudden change of heart because people are telling them they are wrong and local politicians don't seem to be effective at enacting change in their police departments.

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Post by mydongle »

whymauri wrote: post #30
mydongle wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can't listen over the sound of businesses being burned down and innocent people crying out of terror.

I don't understand this. The warning signs of the current administration's fascist-adjacent policies have been here for four years. Please do not pretend that it's now that Americans cannot heed those signs due to protests, especially when the protests are partially in response to the current administration.

Destroying businesses and disrupting the lives of innocent people is not how you convince them to go along with whatever you want. Is that how they will proceed from now on whenever they need something from the people? What a bunch of garbage.

The vast majority of people in those cities would've already supported them. And they bite that hand. Often hands just as brown/black as theirs...they don't care, because what they seek is power, not justice.

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Post by oyra »

pm90 wrote: post #9

The alarm bells of fascism are ringing loudly, are the American people listening? It started with violating the rights of non-citizens by throwing them and their families in cages. Its building on centuries of black oppression and a nationwide corps of officers lead to believe certain class of Americans to be less than human. Today, the president used American Military-lite in a completely unnecessary display of mach…

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Post by andrewzah »

salawat wrote: post #72
andrewzah wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> at least under Federal Aviation Administration rules, this maneuver was very illegal. > § 91.119 Minimum safe altitudes: (b) Over congested areas. Over any congested area of a city, town, or settlement, or over any open air assembly of persons, an altitude of 1,000 feet above the highest obstacle within a horizontal radius of 2,000 feet of the aircraft. > New York Times reporter Thomas Gibbons-Neff said that one of…

So who do you think is going to prosecute that? For that matter, how do you plan to get passed power of the Pardon the President wields? The Senate abdicated their responsibility and chance to hold Trump accountable. This is the outcome. I don't like the looks of either side of this bloody conflict.

I don't disagree. We're descending into authoritarianism due to the utter lack of checks and balances. I was just responding to the comment above that questioned if the news was "overblown". Doesn't sound overblown to me or the various people reporting on it.

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Post by MattGaiser »

option wrote: post #7

I wonder at what point the military will stop obeying criminal orders. Looking at the military leadership now, don’t fail us like certain police did.

In the Kent State shooting, 58% of people blamed the students.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings#Aftermath...

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