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Re: Military Helicopters Descend on Washington in Bizarre Low-Altitude Show of Force

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Post by jondwillis » Tue, Jun 02, 2020, 5:35 AM UTC

ironman1478 wrote: post #20

Trasmatta wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We are listening, but honestly I don't know that to do. I feel helpless and scared (which is what they want, of course).

I feel the same way. What exactly can we do other than vote? Protesting doesn't seem to actually work (in America anymore at least).

Have you tried prolonged, painful protest? That’s what I am preparing myself to do, mind, body, and soul.

Honesty feeling hopeful for the first time in awhile, bullish on protest and I think that tech can be leveraged in a significant way

Re: Military Helicopters Descend on Washington in Bizarre Low-Altitude Show of Force

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Post by geofft » Tue, Jun 02, 2020, 5:35 AM UTC

baddox wrote: post #4

With a Red Cross. You’d think that wouldn’t be allowed, but who out there is enforcing what things are supposed to be allowed?

How often do we think they've done that in other countries?

Re: Military Helicopters Descend on Washington in Bizarre Low-Altitude Show of Force

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Post by mydongle » Tue, Jun 02, 2020, 5:35 AM UTC

pm90 wrote: post #9

The alarm bells of fascism are ringing loudly, are the American people listening? It started with violating the rights of non-citizens by throwing them and their families in cages. Its building on centuries of black oppression and a nationwide corps of officers lead to believe certain class of Americans to be less than human. Today, the president used American Military-lite in a completely unnecessary display of mach…

Can't listen over the sound of businesses being burned down and innocent people crying out of terror.

Re: Military Helicopters Descend on Washington in Bizarre Low-Altitude Show of Force

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Post by pm90 » Tue, Jun 02, 2020, 5:35 AM UTC

option wrote: post #7

I wonder at what point the military will stop obeying criminal orders. Looking at the military leadership now, don’t fail us like certain police did.

Anyone seriously considering this is sorely mistaken.

When dictators consolidate their power, they purge their administration of anyone who does not pledge their supreme loyalty to them. The principled ones of course quit immediately, but without a doubt there will be significant number of people that remain. They are only human, and they have to deal with exactly the same problem that anyone else quitting their job faces in America today. Their minds will rationalize the actions, the Dictator will provide ample bogeymen as targets of hatred.

And even if they DO disobey an order, an American where the military no longer obeys the Civilian Administration... however terrible that might be, would be a dangerous line to cross. All bets are off at that point: the American military is the largest, best equipped fighting force the world has ever seen. Whoever commands it instantly commands immeasurable amount of power.

Re: Military Helicopters Descend on Washington in Bizarre Low-Altitude Show of Force

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Post by jondwillis » Tue, Jun 02, 2020, 5:37 AM UTC

Leaked audio of Trump call with Secretary of Defense essentially ordering use of force and control, using the term war in reference to protest/LE/Natl Guard relations, 3rd link down on https://linktr.ee/jonalmostfree

Re: Military Helicopters Descend on Washington in Bizarre Low-Altitude Show of Force

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Post by gre » Tue, Jun 02, 2020, 5:37 AM UTC

Trasmatta wrote: post #14

pm90 wrote: post #9

The alarm bells of fascism are ringing loudly, are the American people listening? It started with violating the rights of non-citizens by throwing them and their families in cages. Its building on centuries of black oppression and a nationwide corps of officers lead to believe certain class of Americans to be less than human. Today, the president used American Military-lite in a completely unnecessary display of mach…

We are listening, but honestly I don't know that to do. I feel helpless and scared (which is what they want, of course).

General strike.

Re: Military Helicopters Descend on Washington in Bizarre Low-Altitude Show of Force

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Post by nodesocket » Tue, Jun 02, 2020, 5:37 AM UTC

pm90 wrote: post #9

The alarm bells of fascism are ringing loudly, are the American people listening? It started with violating the rights of non-citizens by throwing them and their families in cages. Its building on centuries of black oppression and a nationwide corps of officers lead to believe certain class of Americans to be less than human. Today, the president used American Military-lite in a completely unnecessary display of mach…

I am certain to be in the minority, but how is this much different than seeing humvee and military armored police vehicles rolling down streets as of late? The helicopters were performing recon and visuals, again how is that different than police helicopters in LA that follow high speed chases? This particular helicopter story feels overblown and out of touch.

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Jun 02, 2020, 5:38 AM UTC

option wrote: post #7

I wonder at what point the military will stop obeying criminal orders. Looking at the military leadership now, don’t fail us like certain police did.

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Re: Military Helicopters Descend on Washington in Bizarre Low-Altitude Show of Force

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Jun 02, 2020, 5:38 AM UTC

mydongle wrote: post #23

pm90 wrote: post #9

The alarm bells of fascism are ringing loudly, are the American people listening? It started with violating the rights of non-citizens by throwing them and their families in cages. Its building on centuries of black oppression and a nationwide corps of officers lead to believe certain class of Americans to be less than human. Today, the president used American Military-lite in a completely unnecessary display of mach…

Can't listen over the sound of businesses being burned down and innocent people crying out of terror.

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Re: Military Helicopters Descend on Washington in Bizarre Low-Altitude Show of Force

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Post by whymauri » Tue, Jun 02, 2020, 5:39 AM UTC

mydongle wrote: post #23

pm90 wrote: post #9

The alarm bells of fascism are ringing loudly, are the American people listening? It started with violating the rights of non-citizens by throwing them and their families in cages. Its building on centuries of black oppression and a nationwide corps of officers lead to believe certain class of Americans to be less than human. Today, the president used American Military-lite in a completely unnecessary display of mach…

Can't listen over the sound of businesses being burned down and innocent people crying out of terror.

I don't understand this. The warning signs of the current administration's fascist-adjacent policies have been here for four years. Please do not pretend that it's now that Americans cannot heed those signs due to protests, especially when the protests are partially in response to the current administration.