A collection of videos of police brutality • Hacker News Board

Re: A collection of videos of police brutality

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Post by h3cate » Mon, Jun 01, 2020, 11:34 AM UTC

cgriswald wrote: post #249

h3cate wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd be happy to send you the code if you want to setup that site. This is where my moral compass lies. If you have any advice on how I could make sure this site doesn't enflame the situation and is rather used as a reminder about the lows we have stopped to as a species I'd be happy to integrate them

Good luck. I say that sincerely, not sarcastically. I think a core problem with the situation is that the masses on one side think of these events as one-offs. They're not convinced its a systemic problem because they don't see the "everyday" brutality. The masses on the other side don't see it as a systemic problem either, not exactly anyway; they see it as all cops being racist murderers at heart. Whether one side…

Thank you. Hopefully sites like this will quickly dry up and die due to the issues faced being stamped out of society.

I agree with what you say. When it comes to things that are as violent as these videos I think you make a subconscious decision. You link the uniform to your views on the matter and unfortunately everybody is painted with the same brush. This is not about an organisation, it is about individuals.

There are definitely not any comments allowed on the site because it wouldn't be constructive. Any discussion around what's in these videos should be kept to the places where change can happen.

Re: A collection of videos of police brutality

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Post by h3cate » Mon, Jun 01, 2020, 11:37 AM UTC

ykevinator wrote: post #98

the defense of police comments remind me of the defense of priests people.

Did anybody really protect the priests?

I don't want to discuss that topic here as I am less able to rationally think when it comes to not only Christianity but religion as a whole.

Re: A collection of videos of police brutality

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Post by h3cate » Mon, Jun 01, 2020, 11:38 AM UTC

PhaedrusV wrote: post #123

Instead of signal-boosting rotten cops, can we signal-boost the ones who arrest bad cops?

A new page will be added to the site highlighting the good that police officers do on a daily basis.

Re: A collection of videos of police brutality

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Post by h3cate » Mon, Jun 01, 2020, 11:42 AM UTC

zabeltech wrote: post #165

h3cate wrote: post #105

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I know, I'm trying to be careful/selective about what I put on the site. Only clear oversteps should be shown in my opinion

Yeah that's the Problem, what is a clear overstep? Maybe the 'victim' was totally out of His mind before, maybe he was calmed down before an raged again, maybe he was loaded up with drugs and imposed a danger to himself/Others/the Police. It's not that you could judge what is a 'clear overstep' by the immeriate context you see in the video

I completely agree. I would like to set out some defined lines but I have no idea how to go about it. Maybe you can help?

What I can say is that a video was submitted last night of a man who was crawling to a police officer, following his orders, before being shot multiple times and killed. His name was Daniel Shaver. Please look it up and watch the video if you do not believe it is possible to make a judgement as to whether somebody has crossed a line.

Re: A collection of videos of police brutality

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Post by h3cate » Mon, Jun 01, 2020, 11:43 AM UTC

emerged wrote: post #349

This would be objectively valuable if it was paired with a collection of brutality against police (curated by equally well motivated people). There are a massive number of both citizens and police in this country. Large numbers yield a significant artifact of outliers. Holding police to a higher standard makes sense. But with very large numbers, a high standard still requires expectation of a significant amount of ou…

I would be more than happy to send you the code for the site if you wish to set this up. Personally I feel like police generally do a good job of handling cases of brutality against them.

Re: A collection of videos of police brutality

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Post by h3cate » Mon, Jun 01, 2020, 11:55 AM UTC

austincheney wrote: post #386

scarface74 wrote: post #361

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Really? You don’t think that police could look in a window and tell? We aren’t talking about anecdotes. We have statistics. And these are the types of excuses White people make to justify and to gloss over problems. Here are similar statistics for Florida. https://www.aclu.org/blog/criminal-law-reform/new-evidence-r... And GA. https://www.wabe.org/study-3-ga-locations-black-latino-drive... But you really think racial…

You were talking about stop and frisk opposed to racial profiling more specifically. So I looked that up and it looks like Texas has already achieved transparency on that matter: https://www.tcole.texas.gov/content/racial-profiling-reports Transparency is the only way to root out actual and suspected corruption. It’s not a cure but a required prerequisite.

Sadly stop and frisk is something that cannot be done un-subjectively. Again like with most debates there are good arguments on both sides. It however comes down to where you draw your conclusion. It's a thin line that has to be carefully toed and when everybody has different ideas on what powers others should or should not have against them it is usually hard for all sides to agree

Re: A collection of videos of police brutality

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Post by h3cate » Mon, Jun 01, 2020, 11:57 AM UTC

berbec wrote: post #320

"Police are by in large good people. The vast majority of them know not to kill black people." "United Airlines pilots are by in large good people. The vast majority of them know not to crash the plane."

The vast majority also do not drag people off their planes for not being white...

Re: A collection of videos of police brutality

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Post by koheripbal » Mon, Jun 01, 2020, 12:00 PM UTC

dang wrote: post #350

quietthrow wrote: post #198

This post was number one on HN. Now it’s nowhere to be found on HN’s pages unless you search for it. I happen to remember the posters handle and was able to dig up the post. The post is not even flagged back so am curious why did it disappear?

Users flagged it. That's usually the reason.

Yeah, people forget that not literally every website needs to be an activist forum.

Re: A collection of videos of police brutality

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Post by koheripbal » Mon, Jun 01, 2020, 12:01 PM UTC

pbourke wrote: post #256

quietthrow wrote: post #198

This post was number one on HN. Now it’s nowhere to be found on HN’s pages unless you search for it. I happen to remember the posters handle and was able to dig up the post. The post is not even flagged back so am curious why did it disappear?

It's been flagged to oblivion so as not to pierce HN's tender bubble. Should have mentioned which JS framework was used to build the site so the post would stay on the front page.

Does every website need to be an activist website? Seems redundant.

Re: A collection of videos of police brutality

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Post by h3cate » Mon, Jun 01, 2020, 1:39 PM UTC

koheripbal wrote: post #398

dang wrote: post #350

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Users flagged it. That's usually the reason.

Yeah, people forget that not literally every website needs to be an activist forum.

Far from it. The internet should be the inclusive society that we seem to be unable to attain in the real world.