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Re: How to Safely and Ethically Film Police Misconduct

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Post by bsanr2 »

ficklepickle wrote: post #128
tokai wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Police in Denmark are bullies too. Breaking basic rights, assaulting citizens, covering for each other, lobbying against body cams and visible identifiers on cops like numbers, etc. Profiling is legal and used extensively.

Until we realize that tribalism is human nature, it won't change. Racism is universal amongst humans. We are tribal primates, after all. We need to admit the biases exist and address them head-on. It stands to reason that having a bias against out groups once increased an individuals chance of survival. Now it is actively harming society. If we can't rise above our primitive impulses, we are doomed.

Bigotry is universal amongst humans. Racism is a systematic application of that bigotry such that it can operate on an "undesirable" population with or without the consent of the people supporting and maintaining that system. Racism is not a natural sociological phenomenon; it is a deliberate effort to twist the nature of human behavior and cognition towards cruel, cynical, violent, and destructive ends.

We need to stop telling ourselves these lies about who we are and what we're capable of.

Re: How to Safely and Ethically Film Police Misconduct

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Post by bradgessler »

StellarTabi wrote: post #11

It's always ethical to film police misconduct, in fact what's unethical is that they're not already filming themselves. Safety is important, protesters (and even journalists...) have been livestreaming themselves innocently doing nothing (in contrast to other media's hyper-focusing on "looting") then getting shot with rubber bullets. One of them reportedly has permanent blindness in the left eye as a result. Police b…

It’s sad that reporters need to start wearing ballistic face shields and vests to report on this in the US. It’s going to look and feel like watching reporters when they were in war zones in Iraq.

Re: How to Safely and Ethically Film Police Misconduct

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Post by [deleted] »

bsanr2 wrote: post #201
ficklepickle wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Until we realize that tribalism is human nature, it won't change. Racism is universal amongst humans. We are tribal primates, after all. We need to admit the biases exist and address them head-on. It stands to reason that having a bias against out groups once increased an individuals chance of survival. Now it is actively harming society. If we can't rise above our primitive impulses, we are doomed.

Bigotry is universal amongst humans. Racism is a systematic application of that bigotry such that it can operate on an "undesirable" population with or without the consent of the people supporting and maintaining that system. Racism is not a natural sociological phenomenon; it is a deliberate effort to twist the nature of human behavior and cognition towards cruel, cynical, violent, and destructive ends. We need to s…

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Re: How to Safely and Ethically Film Police Misconduct

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Post by microcolonel »

Mirioron wrote: post #120
xphilter wrote: post #102

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Where? Do you have a link? Let’s assume that’s true, that a crime was committed across the country. Does that give this group of law enforcement to shoot ltl rounds at unarmed people on private property and in compliance with the law? I don’t understand your reasoning.

I disagree with the parent poster, but a Federal Protective Service member was killed last night in Oakland: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/federal-officer-killed-in-shoot... I did read that they're unsure whether it was related to the protests though.

> I did read that they're unsure whether it was related to the protests though.

Yes, but there's little doubt that the riots are cover.

Re: How to Safely and Ethically Film Police Misconduct

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Post by [deleted] »

dessant wrote: post #17
samdamsamm wrote: post #13

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Tonight I witnessed a young girl get knocked out cold by a tear gas canister shot into her face from about a 40 ft. range. She was holding her hands up. There was nothing but peaceful protesters standing around, not blocking traffic. No vandalism anywhere in sight. This was in Louisville, KY. The police fired rubber bullets at the group of people carrying her away to a place on the other side of the line of humvees b…

You don't even need to leave your porch to get shot. Police and National Guard are patrolling neighborhoods and shooting civilians with paint canisters on their own property in Minneapolis. In one case they yelled "Light 'em up!" before starting to shoot [1] with ammunition that could blind people. It's legal to be outside your house during the curfew in Minneapolis [2]. > Can I be outside my house (on my property) a…

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Post by scarface74 »

leetcrew wrote: post #184
scarface74 wrote: post #15

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Middle America knows that police target minorities - they just don’t care.

it may seem that way, but I suspect it is a bit more nuanced than that. I think most people understand, at least on some level, that the news is generally about outlier events. when every interaction you have with the police is polite or even helpful, it's tempting to think that these incidences of police brutality are just isolated events. if you live somewhere that you experience aggressive policing in your daily l…

While death at the hands of police might be infrequent, you can find plenty of longitudinal studies showing that “pro-active policing” like stop and frisk and pulling people over disproportionately is aimed at Black people.

Not to mention that statistically, Blacks are punished far more harshly than Whites.

This isn’t new, it’s just being filmed more often. Rappers like NWA and Tupac have been speaking out against police brutality since the 90s.

All the while White people preach to a Black people about how we “should act” not to the be beaten and shot by the police.

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Post by NoahTheDuke »

crispyambulance wrote: post #197
anigbrowl wrote: post #68

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- There isn't a riot happening there - shooting people on their porch is the cause of chaos and confrontation you claim police are trying to prevent - fuck those guys

They were either going to or coming from a riot area. Their responsibility is to make sure the riot doesn't spread and stop the riot. They can't do that effectively if they have to wade through a massive crowd of onlookers appearing wherever they go. Bad actors easily mix in to situations like this and make the situation extremely dangerous for everyone. If someone doesn't respond to direct commands in such an emerge…

If it was reasonable, it would encoded into the law. It is not for the police to create new laws on the spot, and even if it were, the use of force to enforce it is not reasonable.

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Post by Minor49er »

justinclift wrote: post #100
bearcobra wrote: post #88

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> There's a clear curfew order to stay inside The curfew order clearly says that people do NOT need to stay inside. https://dps.mn.gov/macc/Pages/faq.aspx

Specifically: Can I be outside my house (on my property) after 8 p.m. and before 6 a.m.? Yes.

Did all of the five young adults on the porch live there? You don't know. And neither did the cops. The cops took the safest route and ordered them inside. The group responded by not complying.

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Post by Wingman4l7 »

tonyarkles wrote: post #186
gonzo41 wrote: post #163

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This is where a drone platform with an OS driver / control software would be great. I bet the sensors and the control systems all have memory overflows or number range issues in the software that isn't being dealt with because it's a closed system. Add to that few if any customers are asking to use their drone as a static tripod.

I'm planning on doing some experiments with that after we're done spring surveying. To start: I'm not sure what you mean by OS driver/control software. The two main (non-proprietary) flight controller platforms are PX4 and ArduPilot, which both basically act OS-like. Depending on which platform you're building for, they can use things like ChibiOS under the hood as well. It's not memory overflows. These can fly for l…

This is a really interesting problem; I feel like there's a range of solutions. First thought would be to take some sort of sensor checkpoint if you have full motor cutoff. Also wondering what the options are for soft-reboots that don't drop telemetry connections to your control hardware.

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Post by yummypaint »

gruez wrote: post #101
aurizon wrote: post #45

Do not wear a 'shoot me' sign. Live hidden video, (2 cams, one points front and one points rear placed behind a plastic grommet it can see through - but is not alone, or buttonhole - make sure cam can not be seen and can not be blocked as you move, and blends in to clothing) stream to a friend-monitored cloud(that the friend can view, but not erase in case the friend is also grabbed). This will give you video your cl…

If your threat model includes police stingrays, the could also jam all cellphone traffic which makes cloud backups irrelevant.

This wouldnt be possible in the US, the police don't have the authority to override federal legislation. The FCC has historically been extremely agressive and successful in prosecuting use of jamming devices. I think it's more likely that stingrays would be used to inventory who is at a protest etc and put people on a list for individual targeting.
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