Let’s be very clear, police are assaulting citizens in order to protect capital. Police protect capital not humans.
It’s really not rocket science folks, this guy gets it
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#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
How did this come about, is it the consequence of an armed society, or something else unique to Americans?
Militarization of the police following 9/11.
People of color throughout this nation's history would disagree that it only began in 2001.
It's well documented that modern policing in the US began in the model of slave patrols. And it shows.
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#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I think anyone who wrongs another is ...wrong [...] Is there something wrong with that? No, but that is an overly simplistic reduction of the current situation in the United States, and any conversation around this situation requires an acknowledgement of its complete history and many nuances. > Is asking about how people can condemn one version of malevolence and condon another wrong? No, but what was the point of…
> No, but that is an overly simplistic reduction of the current situation in the United States, and any conversation around this situation requires an acknowledgement of its complete history and many nuances. I've been saying this about covid for a while, this is my main point. > No, but what was the point of linking that unrelated article from 2014? The article is about a police assassination in direct response to p…
> I've been saying this about covid for a while, this is my main point.
I'm not following this, and am not going to pivot the conversation to covid.
> The article is about a police assassination in direct response to police killing to black men. It seems related to me, how is it not?
So six years later, the police should be allowed to exact revenge on American civilians protesting in the street? I'm still not understanding the relevance of this article to your argument. Yes, murder is bad. We agree.
> This applies to a large number of groups. Congress and the MediaMachine have much lower approval ratings than the police.
Congress and "the MediaMachine" didn't just kneel on the neck of a man, killing him in broad daylight, on video.
> Again, you are painting the police with one large brush, this sounds a lot like prejudice
I think this conversation has had its run.
Re: Caught on camera, police explode in rage and violence across the US
#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I think anyone who wrongs another is ...wrong [...] Is there something wrong with that? No, but that is an overly simplistic reduction of the current situation in the United States, and any conversation around this situation requires an acknowledgement of its complete history and many nuances. > Is asking about how people can condemn one version of malevolence and condon another wrong? No, but what was the point of…
> No, but that is an overly simplistic reduction of the current situation in the United States, and any conversation around this situation requires an acknowledgement of its complete history and many nuances. I've been saying this about covid for a while, this is my main point. > No, but what was the point of linking that unrelated article from 2014? The article is about a police assassination in direct response to p…
The point of covid is a bit from a personal event, but more broadly witnessed, and that is the hypothesis is that people are latching onto an idea, becoming too attached to that idea, and are becoming increasingly unable to accept new ideas into their context. I think this is largely the result of social media and being able to find places where you only interact with people who think like you.
It's good to introspect your beliefs and views on a regular basis.
I am happy to end the conversation, sibling poster.
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#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think anyone who wrongs another is ...wrong Is there something wrong with that? (where is the average moral compass of society today? how far am I from that?) Is asking about how people can condemn one version of malevolence and condon another wrong? (just noticed how close malevolence is to "male violence") Are we past the point of trying to hold each other to higher standards? (is that what the protests are about…
Literally no one is condoning assassination of police officers on- or off-duty. No one is condoning rioting or looting. But we are adult enough to understand that rioting and looting are the result of civil unrest when the people do not feel heard.
Have you watched the live streams people put up while they looted?
(there was not this type of aspirational language)
They knew what they were doing, tried to say things on camera to sound like they hadn't just stolen though it was and remained quite obvious. They weren't talking about the injustices, they were talking about all the free shit and keeping tabs on the cops.
Then they realized the cops were driving around taking lots of pictures of the people coming out of the looted stores. (I think this was an LA stream iirc)
Re: Caught on camera, police explode in rage and violence across the US
#36Is there a specific point at which police are or are not allowed to pepper spray people? Use tasers? Use other hopefully non-lethal force like this? These videos are really sad and I wonder when these actions are actually acceptable.
Such scenes can happen in any country, but when the enemy is the people it just festers and escalates. With great leaders they could deescalate, but Republicans are doubling down all the way now..
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#37It's a tough situation for police too. On one hand, how to you stop those taking advantage of the situation by looting/burning? On the other hand, how do they show tolerance for non-aggressive civil disobedience? Should anyone breaking curfew be subject to rough treatment? Should the police stand idle while people burn and loot? How can peaceful protesters be protected while looters/abusers are using them as shields…
> It's a tough situation for police
Pray explain what is so tough about refraining from shooting tear gas canisters right in the face of an unarmed civilian from distance of few tens of meters ?
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#38United States is a police state. I said it 20 years ago, people laughed. Now you see if for yourself. American police have positioned themselves as the enemy of the people because they see people as their enemy. And the only way to stop the enemy is by applying brute force. If they're doing all this in front of cameras, imagine what they do when nobody is looking. Whereas in other countries, such as the UK, police ar…
How did this come about, is it the consequence of an armed society, or something else unique to Americans?
We have a very armed police because we have a very armed populace, and we have a very armed populace because security is your own responsibility, at least in the rural areas (also notice the urban/rural divide, armed populace is in the rural area, and the crazy police stories are from the urban area).
One of the main ways America is so different than Europeans because of its political system. Here we empower rural areas (due to electoral college). Without electoral college, the national policies are what urban policies are. NY state looks just like Canada from a political POV, large urban concentrated center who vote and dictate all the policies, and rural areas don't really get much of a say in state policy.
Urban areas are ok with different point of views, they are ok with lifestyles which don't result in 'spreading of the tribe' (i.e. abortion, LGBTQ etc), they are less religious, pro-infrastructure spending (because a fire brigade can serve a LOT of people).
Rural areas are more religious, self-reliant, pro-guns, anti things which don't spread the tribe.
In European democracies, this results in primarily urban driven policies, whereas in the US this results in a constant rural-urban divide and struggle.
Re: Caught on camera, police explode in rage and violence across the US
#39It's a tough situation for police too. On one hand, how to you stop those taking advantage of the situation by looting/burning? On the other hand, how do they show tolerance for non-aggressive civil disobedience? Should anyone breaking curfew be subject to rough treatment? Should the police stand idle while people burn and loot? How can peaceful protesters be protected while looters/abusers are using them as shields…
The protests are happening because the police have made a habit of treating the people as the enemy. So policing as usual, with excessive displays of force just because they can get away with it, will do nothing to quell the violence. I think the way forward is let police do what they need to, but also allow the people to prosecute police when they step out of bounds. The current culture of protecting abusers among t…
The lawyers defending the cops would be paid by tax payers, correct ?
If I am not mistaken, fines, if imposed on the cops would be paid using tax payer's money too.
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How about instigators? Are you aware of white supremacists? I saw a video with a white guy breaking windows with a hammer and protesters chased him away. These tactics have been used before. That is not to say that there aren’t bad actors on each side, there are. I didn’t like the looting but I think its nothing compared to how systematically broken things are. Im white and I do break the law here and there, minor st…
I'm white, I've been in jail (not prison), I've been put to the ground by an officer, I was doing dumb shit when I was a dumb shit. But as soon as you introduce color, aren't you seeing color and preventing the fundamental problem from fading away? You can't force it away, you have to teach it away, right? Do children see color naturally or do we teach them how? Where are they primarily learning this? (I suspect from…
I guess from being treated like dirt and excluded. This can happen to white males too, but is systematic against how people where born and look.
If you move abroad, the same can happen to you.