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I Can't Breathe

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Re: I Can't Breathe

#31
>I'm talking about something as mundane as going for a jog.

This needs to stop. Arbery wasn't a model citizen working on his fitness. He was a habitual criminal caught in the act, who desperately tried to murder a concerned local rather than face justice. And, if he had succeeded, we wouldn't be hearing anything about this incident - the McMichaels would be just a couple more statistics.

In some subcultures, I fear the "jogger" meme has become their reality.

Re: I Can't Breathe

#32
post #9

How many people did they foreclose upon during the mortgage crisis? How many people have they extracted usurious amounts of interest from? How many people have they lured into debt and deceitful loans? This is a large corporation with as much a hand in perpetuating systemic inequality as any other large corporation. Moreso because it exists in the financial sector. Calling out inequality and donating funds generated…

That was 12 years ago. Perhaps they have learned from it?

(I don't believe they have learned anything, but this tiny chink in the armor suggests that at least I'll give them the benefit of the doubt on this blog post.)

Re: I Can't Breathe

#33
post #2

Pretty bold of Citi to publish something like this. I wish more companies had the balls to do something like this... Not just some "Yay equality!!" Tweet, but a real and specific stance. Kudos.

it seems like PR for usury to me. there's been quite a bit of 'bankers are nice guys' propaganda since the coronu.

Re: I Can't Breathe

#34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I never said violent revolution isn't a possibly effective means of enacting political change. History in fact demonstrates that quite vividly. But violent revolution is also not, in the aggregate, a net benefit in the immediate term. Not even for black people. Believing otherwise represents a failure to anticipate 2nd/3rd order consequences and beyond. In the best case, you might experience a lot of suffering today…

When you have the police state escalating the violence against you, you either get violent in return or you get the knee to your neck. The reason why things have gotten violent is as I mentioned in a prior post is self-defense. People don't trust the police at all, and why should they? We've seen them attack journalists multiple times, we've seen them assault people who were protesting peacefully and increasingly it…

Are you really saying that setting fire to a police station was self-defense?

Re: I Can't Breathe

#36
post #5
post #2

Pretty bold of Citi to publish something like this. I wish more companies had the balls to do something like this... Not just some "Yay equality!!" Tweet, but a real and specific stance. Kudos.

My cynical brain is working overtime finding a flaw in this statement, or the angle from which it is selfish, and it's failing. One of the things I like about it is that its personal, not a company statement. Its a risk for them, though, and I am also, reluctantly, impressed.

Don’t forget Citi Bank was involved one of the most racist economic foreign policy to ever exist instituted by France and the US against Haiti.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/External_debt_of_Haiti

Re: I Can't Breathe

#37
post #2

Pretty bold of Citi to publish something like this. I wish more companies had the balls to do something like this... Not just some "Yay equality!!" Tweet, but a real and specific stance. Kudos.

it seems like PR for usury to me. there's been quite a bit of 'bankers are nice guys' propaganda since the coronu.

Perhaps scared of the mass uprisings, people are angry, and frustrated and this situation could explode in the next few weeks. Interesting that you used the word usury. You never really see that word used to refer to predatory loans except in an Islamic context.

Re: I Can't Breathe

#38
post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is. And it is hard to overstate given that in any large institution that kind of post has to go through multiple layers of bureaucracy. Doubly so in a bank. While I can't shake off the feeling that there is a cynical calculation there for some good PR, I believe it is still a good move.

A C-level exec needs to pass "multiple layers of bureaucracy" to post a personal note on the company blog? That seems excessive, even for a large corporation. If you can't trust your executive management team to represent the company, what are they good for?

Do you have any idea how PR is managed..

Re: I Can't Breathe

#39

I wish he'd gone a little further in condemning the rioting. It would have been the courageous thing to do. The rioting is a mistake. It will not change hearts and minds. It will not undo the problems endemic to police forces. In fact, it may very well exacerbate them. The problematic archetype is the bigoted cop who's drunk with power and behaves more like an animal operating on instinct than a thinking human. These…

>We need to use the system of governance we have at our disposal to try and fix this.

It is not working. People are being murdered by our government, and the murderers are not punished. There could not be a stronger argument against your position.

Re: I Can't Breathe

#40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When you have the police state escalating the violence against you, you either get violent in return or you get the knee to your neck. The reason why things have gotten violent is as I mentioned in a prior post is self-defense. People don't trust the police at all, and why should they? We've seen them attack journalists multiple times, we've seen them assault people who were protesting peacefully and increasingly it…

I'd be careful to generalize from the almost certainly distorted view you have of the "facts on the ground". Also keep in mind the irony of weaponizing sweeping generalizations against a particular group of people. You should naturally expect some amount of badness in almost any sample of humans, including the police. It might also help to empathize with a cop on the ground in this situation when police stations have…

Here's another one for you: Police shooting at a woman on her own property [1]. Are all of those cops the bad ones? Should I empathize with them assaulting someone on their own property?

[1] https://twitter.com/tkerssen/status/1266921821653385225

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