This investigation will likely end in nothing.
This will be delayed until news coverage stop, then everyone can continue their life business as usual.
The cops that choked Eric Gardner to death are all free right now.
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#22Pretty bold of Citi to publish something like this. I wish more companies had the balls to do something like this... Not just some "Yay equality!!" Tweet, but a real and specific stance. Kudos.
IDK, I’m a little more skeptical of this post. It seems more posturing than actually effecting change. CFOs have other means of doing that, in better ways than a simple blog post. This is no different than the celebrity cause du jour tweet except that it’s coming from a business leader rather than some actor/actress/pop star. Let’s see this CFO use their connections and influence to make things better in real ways.
> CFOs have other means of doing that, in better ways than a simple blog post.
I believe this CFO agrees with you. Most of the "celebrity cause du jour" tweets are just that, tweets. At least at the end of this post he listed groups that he's donating to
[1] NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund
[2] Advancement Project
[3] Color of Change
This may not mean much to you, but at least he's claiming to put his money where his mouth is.
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#23I wish he'd gone a little further in condemning the rioting. It would have been the courageous thing to do. The rioting is a mistake. It will not change hearts and minds. It will not undo the problems endemic to police forces. In fact, it may very well exacerbate them. The problematic archetype is the bigoted cop who's drunk with power and behaves more like an animal operating on instinct than a thinking human. These…
Rioting is not a tactic, it's a pretty understandable reaction to powerlessness within the system, and also murderous violence from the system. There's no reason to condemn it.
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#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
IDK, I’m a little more skeptical of this post. It seems more posturing than actually effecting change. CFOs have other means of doing that, in better ways than a simple blog post. This is no different than the celebrity cause du jour tweet except that it’s coming from a business leader rather than some actor/actress/pop star. Let’s see this CFO use their connections and influence to make things better in real ways.
what do you suggest?
I would hope and can safely assume that they (Citi) have relatively decent community and governmental connections. Leverage those.
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#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
I never said violent revolution isn't a possibly effective means of enacting political change. History in fact demonstrates that quite vividly. But violent revolution is also not, in the aggregate, a net benefit in the immediate term. Not even for black people. Believing otherwise represents a failure to anticipate 2nd/3rd order consequences and beyond. In the best case, you might experience a lot of suffering today…
When you have the police state escalating the violence against you, you either get violent in return or you get the knee to your neck. The reason why things have gotten violent is as I mentioned in a prior post is self-defense. People don't trust the police at all, and why should they? We've seen them attack journalists multiple times, we've seen them assault people who were protesting peacefully and increasingly it…
I'd be careful to generalize from the almost certainly distorted view you have of the "facts on the ground". Also keep in mind the irony of weaponizing sweeping generalizations against a particular group of people.
You should naturally expect some amount of badness in almost any sample of humans, including the police. It might also help to empathize with a cop on the ground in this situation when police stations have literally been blown up.
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#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
IDK, I’m a little more skeptical of this post. It seems more posturing than actually effecting change. CFOs have other means of doing that, in better ways than a simple blog post. This is no different than the celebrity cause du jour tweet except that it’s coming from a business leader rather than some actor/actress/pop star. Let’s see this CFO use their connections and influence to make things better in real ways.
> CFOs have other means of doing that, in better ways than a simple blog post. I believe this CFO agrees with you. Most of the "celebrity cause du jour" tweets are just that, tweets. At least at the end of this post he listed groups that he's donating to [1] NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund [2] Advancement Project [3] Color of Change This may not mean much to you, but at least he's claiming to put his money w…
Meh, some of us have been making charitable contributions to (not these exact ones but similar) like charities for years. This just seems a little too convenient and charlatan.
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#27Pretty bold of Citi to publish something like this. I wish more companies had the balls to do something like this... Not just some "Yay equality!!" Tweet, but a real and specific stance. Kudos.
It is. And it is hard to overstate given that in any large institution that kind of post has to go through multiple layers of bureaucracy. Doubly so in a bank. While I can't shake off the feeling that there is a cynical calculation there for some good PR, I believe it is still a good move.
A C-level exec needs to pass "multiple layers of bureaucracy" to post a personal note on the company blog? That seems excessive, even for a large corporation. If you can't trust your executive management team to represent the company, what are they good for?
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#28This investigation will likely end in nothing. This will be delayed until news coverage stop, then everyone can continue their life business as usual. The cops that choked Eric Gardner to death are all free right now.
The cops that choked Eric Gardner to death are all free right now.
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#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
When you have the police state escalating the violence against you, you either get violent in return or you get the knee to your neck. The reason why things have gotten violent is as I mentioned in a prior post is self-defense. People don't trust the police at all, and why should they? We've seen them attack journalists multiple times, we've seen them assault people who were protesting peacefully and increasingly it…
I'd be careful to generalize from the almost certainly distorted view you have of the "facts on the ground". Also keep in mind the irony of weaponizing sweeping generalizations against a particular group of people. You should naturally expect some amount of badness in almost any sample of humans, including the police. It might also help to empathize with a cop on the ground in this situation when police stations have…
A few things:
First, I didn't realize blue was a race now. Or are we not allowed to criticize the police state? Does your 'sweeping generalization' rule also apply when we criticize things like the Chinese government because 'I'm sure some of the politicians are good people'?
Second, you don't say. The problem is that the police have zero accountability. They get away with murder and assault like in [1] or [2] or [3] and for what? Can you tell me what laws they violated? Are you personally going to go out there and hold those cops accountable for what they did? It sounds like you should go outside and get the real view of what's happening on the ground.
[1] https://twitter.com/imactuallynina/status/126691262719377408...
[2] https://www.businessinsider.com/nypd-officer-shoves-woman-ge...
[3] https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/30/us/minneapolis-protests-p...
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#30Pretty bold of Citi to publish something like this. I wish more companies had the balls to do something like this... Not just some "Yay equality!!" Tweet, but a real and specific stance. Kudos.
IDK, I’m a little more skeptical of this post. It seems more posturing than actually effecting change. CFOs have other means of doing that, in better ways than a simple blog post. This is no different than the celebrity cause du jour tweet except that it’s coming from a business leader rather than some actor/actress/pop star. Let’s see this CFO use their connections and influence to make things better in real ways.
Agreed. Actions speak louder than words. This (and many other company statements like this) are mostly empty nice feel good words, but merely that. Just like what a populist or demagogue would say/do to appear favorably in the eyes of others...
IMO donating to an organization seems weak. It's like outsourcing the problem to someone else, and thinking your helping them because you're giving them money. If you really want to help, get your hands dirty, and take matters into your own hands...