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Mosquitoes kill more than 700k people every year (2017)

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Post by samcheng »

grawprog wrote: post #250
bradam wrote: post #231

One of my classmates came back from Africa to Europe this March without any symptoms. 10 days later she got high fever, dizziness, and unfortunately she could not even recognise her family. Everyone thought its COVID, and doctors recommended her to stay home to not spread the "virus". Unfortunately when she got the the hospital, the diagnostics was too late to and she died in malaria 1,5 days later. Please beware of…

Makes you wonder how many people have actually died so far this way. Being told to stay home and not spread covid, meanwhile something else is actually terribly wrong.

According to this New York Times article from the beginning of May, excess deaths in the United States outpaced official Coronavirus reporting by 33%. This obviously varies significantly by country. Certainly many more people are dying at home than previous years.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/05/05/us/coronaviru...

The key phrase if you want to learn more is "excess deaths"

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Post by rrmm »

wutbrodo wrote: post #292
rrmm wrote: post #287

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ex-Covid rate is more likely due to undiagnosed covid. Especially when you look at the excess death rate compared to previous annual rates. (at least last time I looked at the graphs). But regardless none of it is any good for anyone.

The excess death rate (ex covid) is relative to previous annual rates. I don't think you can disambiguate between "deaths due to undiagnosed covid" and "deaths due to untreated illness due to avoiding hospitals"

You're right. But if the excess mirrors the diagnosed rate (rise and fall) one might reasonably infer that it is driven by covid. Compared to deaths resulting from/driven by people staying away from hospitals which would depend on when lockdowns were announced, when behaviors changed, etc.

Although both mechanisms would bear some relation, it looked to me more like it was driven by spread of the infection rather than changes to behavior.

The point that you can't really separate them completely is well-taken though.

EDIT: I'm clearly all over the place with terminology. Something along the lines of looking at the (all_cause_mortality - covid_deaths - historic_avg) residual and seeing how closely it mirrors say alpha*covid_deaths where alpha is some constant. If it mirrored it well (or for example preceded it and the lock downs in the manner that would be expected of infection) one might infer that those deaths were probably covid. If on the other hand they were strictly related to the time the news broke and lock downs and changes to hospital admittance rates, then it might be better explained as resulting from lockdown issues.

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Post by JoeAltmaier »

djsumdog wrote: post #269
JoeAltmaier wrote: post #179

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Maybe that's cause-and-effect turned around? We stifled our economy and mobilize a million researchers, because we can afford to and have the will. It'll cost us in the end. What do folks in malaria country do? Scavenge their childrens' mosquito nets to catch fish etc. Reject modern medicine and go to the local quack. Foul their water supplies and poach their endangered species. I know, we can have all the morals we…

It's because SARS-CoV-2 is new, and new things scare us more than things we know. This entire thing has been an exercises in how people fail to properly evaluate risk ... on a global scale .. leading to economic devastation. Wendover did a great video on risk recently: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtX-Ibi21tU

Except this risk is real. The more we learn of it, the more significant it becomes.

Fortunately with study we will beat it. But to laugh at the risk of Covid is foolhardy.

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Post by lenkite »

DanBC wrote: post #189
ping_pong wrote: post #131

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The CDC says "Hydroxychloroquine is a relatively well tolerated medicine." So, unless you know something more than the CDC, it sounds safe to me. That would absolutely make what you're saying "wrong", and you're spreading misinformation.

CDC also said it shouldn't be used for covid unless it was in a hospital, as part of a clinical trial. They said this because it is dangerous. Currently CDC refers to NIH for advice about using Hydroxychloroquine: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/therapeutic-op... https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/whats-new/ > Chloroquine/Hydroxychloroquine: > The Panel recommends against using high-dose chl…

Considered safe here in India and being taken by millions of people. High dosages should be avoided by people with heart trouble/high blood pressure.

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Post by ZitchDog »

samcheng wrote: post #301
grawprog wrote: post #250

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Makes you wonder how many people have actually died so far this way. Being told to stay home and not spread covid, meanwhile something else is actually terribly wrong.

According to this New York Times article from the beginning of May, excess deaths in the United States outpaced official Coronavirus reporting by 33%. This obviously varies significantly by country. Certainly many more people are dying at home than previous years. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/05/05/us/coronaviru... The key phrase if you want to learn more is "excess deaths"

My understanding is that excess deaths statistic would also COVID deaths. You'd need to subtract COVID deaths from excess deaths. (and be certain that all COVID deaths are reported as such...)

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lazyasciiart wrote: post #285
lutorm wrote: post #276

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A few months is enough time for breast cancer to go from stage 1 to stage 2 ... Do women normally have breast exams every few months?

No. It varies by age or location but it'd be once a year at max - unless perhaps you had already had it or for some other reason were extraordinarily high risk.

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Post by lenkite »

jointpdf wrote: post #96
ping_pong wrote: post #43

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Evidence for what claim? That hydroxychloroquine is safer than Tylenol? I don't know why you connected what I said with anything to do with COVID-19. I didn't say that it helped, in fact, I think it was bad science that lead to that belief. But the fact that hydroxychloroquine is safe is beyond argument. This is from the CDC: Hydroxychloroquine is a relatively well tolerated medicine. The most common adverse reaction…

I think replying with a sardonic “Wrong.” and then making an unsubstantiated claim made it pretty clear what the pretext of your comment was. But sure...I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt. Regardless, no it’s not “safe beyond argument”. Let’s try again. FDA: > ”Hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine: - should be used for COVID-19 only when patients can be appropriately monitored in the hospital as required by the EUA…

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-05-india-hydroxychloroqu...

Observational and case control studies in India showed there were "no major side effects" of taking the drug as a prophylactic, ICMR Director-General Balram Bhargava said.

Cases of nausea, vomiting and heart palpitations were noted, he added.

Last week, the ICMR—which is leading the government's response to the virus—expanded its advisory for the use of hydroxychloroquine as a preventative measure.

The body said all healthcare workers in hospitals and some frontline personnel could now take the drug for up to several weeks under strict medical supervision.

"We recommended that for prophylaxis, it should be continued, because there is no harm. Benefit may be there," Bhargava told reporters.

Bhargava added that when the ICMR weighed the risks and benefits of the drug, it decided that "we should not deny it to our frontline workers and healthcare workers."

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Post by andarleen »

tempestn wrote: post #166
JoeAltmaier wrote: post #121

So, Covid is on track to beat this, sadly.

Yes, but mosquitos kill that many every single year. Look at the reaction to COVID-19 compared to the amount of effort going into eliminating mosquito-borne disease. There's certainly some, but it's far from the mobilization we see when a calamity on this scale hits rich countries.

The main difference is covid hit home. People dont really care when it happens in other countries - how many blinked as people were dying in china? Almost no one cared.

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Post by lenkite »

SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #24
madengr wrote: post #19

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It's been shown to have no benefit when someone is near-dead from COVID. Don't 80% of people on ventilators die anyway? So ventilators have no benefit. From what I have been reading, the drug does have benefit when used as a prophylactic, in combination with zinc. Of course we now have politicized medicine due to the fact Trump is taking it, and whatever Trump does must be de-facto bad. Now we have countries banning…

Given that the entire world is studying these drugs, and many nations have now suspended their research, I don't think you can chalk it up to a single person, unless you're assuming the entire world is defining their own medical and research policies based upon Twitter outrage.

The WHO is not advising stopping all HCQ trials but has only dropped HCQ from the Solidarity Trial, and that many prophylaxis trials using HCQ are ongoing or about to start.

https://www.nxg.news/2020/05/26/26496/coronavirus-no-who-bar...

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Post by dota_fanatic »

rainbowzootsuit wrote: post #300
EL_Loco wrote: post #278

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I've been around many alsatians, and many pitbulls (never had one, but many friends have). Given equal training, equal education (or whatever you want to call what some people do to their dogs), most pitbulls will be different from alsatians in temperament. When they are in attack mode, they're much more likely to not let go, and to bite much harder. There's a spectrum among breeds regarding the agressiveness of thei…

I was once in a hand to hand struggle with a pit bull that attacked another smaller dog. At least three bystanders took part simultaneously in kicking and punching the pit bull to get it to release the smaller dog. The only way to dissuade the pit, after what was at least a couple of minutes of this and with the smaller dog being disemboweled, was that I stabbed the pit bull in the neck with my pocket knife. Their ph…

No respected dog behaviorist would ever advise kicking, punching, or stabbing to break up a dog fight regardless of breed. Y’all made it worse.
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