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Re: US customs and border protection is flying a surveillance drone over Minneapolis

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evanlivingston wrote: post #134
mythrwy wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More like "god save common sense and basic human decency" WTF is the matter with people?

A group of people who are systematically disenfranchised witnessed a visceral oppression committed by the guardians of that system. They are now extremely upset and frustrated and expressing their anger and frustration at a system that for a long time now made snail's pace progress toward equitable treatment of them. The police largely function as protectors of personal property and relationships of ownership. I mean…

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Re: US customs and border protection is flying a surveillance drone over Minneapolis

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Post by _jal »

beambot wrote: post #32
pm90 wrote: post #22

This was very predictable. Tools invented for military operations abroad eventually, predictably find their way back domestically. Despite that, its a dangerous thing to happen. I am aware of how unlikely it is for the current US Government to use the drone offensively, but once you have a massive fleet of drones flying over the US, patrolling "troubling" neighborhoods constantly, the temptation to use those abilitie…

Where do you draw the distinction between a drone (presumably unarmed) vs a police helicopter?

Economics and automation.

To look at a related question, where do you draw the line between stakeouts and planting GPS devices?

The question should not be some sort of line-drawing based on looking at the narrow capabilities of a particular device or practice change. It needs to be a look at what those capabilities do to the current balance of civilian rights and responsibilities, and whether we wish to live in a world of robotic surveillance and law enforcement.

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Post by dvdhnt »

microcolonel wrote: post #183
dvdhnt wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Surely, you aren't comparing mass murder, likely an international crime, to spray painting a building or stealing a TV? Property != people. People > property. Period. Nothing else to consider. Additionally, it's fairly common for security forces to instigate criminal behavior during protests in order to justify the extreme measures they use to suppress those protests.

> ...spray painting a building or stealing a TV? I'm not going to step into what is clearly an emotional argument for you, but I will say that downplaying what's going on in Minneapolis does not lend you any credibility. Social housing units, and hundreds of locally owned businesses have been rubbled and torched; and retailers have watched basically all of their inventory walk out the door (last time they bother sett…

I am not downplaying anything and your points don't dispute my major argument of people are more important property.

The sports bar, inventory, etc can be replaced. Why should locals care about those things when there's a real, non-zero chance their family and friends might be killed arbitrarily?

Personally, I'd rather have my kids and wife than a Target.

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dx87 wrote: post #16
daeken wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> With all that's happening the last few days, please don't associate Minnesotans with the riots that have captured the attention of everyone. I understand what you're going for, but this is a bad approach. People aren't rioting because they want to destroy things, they're rioting because they don't feel like they're being heard. What you're saying here reads as "don't listen to them, they don't represent us" which i…

> People aren't rioting because they want to destroy things, they're rioting because they don't feel like they're being heard. That's not why people are looting liquor stores and target. Some people are just destroying things, there's always those groups of people in every riot. Sometimes people even travel to the riot just for the chance at destroying things.

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Post by luckylion »

daeken wrote: post #9
joshmn wrote: post #3

Native Minnesotan here — living in Minneapolis — that has lived on both coasts: With all that's happening the last few days, please don't generally associate Minnesotans with the violent riots that have captured the attention of everyone. The peacefulness of the protests and gatherings has been overshadowed by the violence. There are countless examples of Minnesotans standing up to those who choose to loot and destro…

> With all that's happening the last few days, please don't associate Minnesotans with the riots that have captured the attention of everyone. I understand what you're going for, but this is a bad approach. People aren't rioting because they want to destroy things, they're rioting because they don't feel like they're being heard. What you're saying here reads as "don't listen to them, they don't represent us" which i…

That line of thinking is incentivizing violence as a means of "being heard". Whoever riots the loudest and strongest gets to speak and be listened to. No doubt the next step after listening is to compromise, aka "meet in the middle".

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daeken wrote: post #9
joshmn wrote: post #3

Native Minnesotan here — living in Minneapolis — that has lived on both coasts: With all that's happening the last few days, please don't generally associate Minnesotans with the violent riots that have captured the attention of everyone. The peacefulness of the protests and gatherings has been overshadowed by the violence. There are countless examples of Minnesotans standing up to those who choose to loot and destro…

> With all that's happening the last few days, please don't associate Minnesotans with the riots that have captured the attention of everyone. I understand what you're going for, but this is a bad approach. People aren't rioting because they want to destroy things, they're rioting because they don't feel like they're being heard. What you're saying here reads as "don't listen to them, they don't represent us" which i…

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Post by ideals »

petee wrote: post #5

The tracking website has some great info, like this RC-26B with electronic surveillance hardware headed for Louisville: https://tar1090.adsbexchange.com/?icao=adfd7f https://www.flickr.com/photos/eigjb/3460872978 And this is the track of the drone over Minneapolis, which seemed to veer off around the time the story came out: https://tar1090.adsbexchange.com/?icao=ae4bd7

Perhaps you or someone else knows, but I frequent the https://tar1090.adsbexchange.com website often and I see unusual tail numbers listed and I can't figure out why they are listed as such. They may not even be military aircraft but just small aircraft.

The tail number in this example below is _AE0B60 and registration is n/a

Here's an example screenshot of what I mean https://imgur.com/a/A1p4N2c

Does anyone what this is, or why they don't have 'normal' registration info on adsb?

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Post by vkou »

remarkEon wrote: post #111
pm90 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fellow HN user, I welcome you with warmth so please don't take what I say offensively, but as a different perspective. > What happened is awful. It doesn't reflect how genuinely kind people in Minnesota are and how we, collectively feel about what happened and the movement at large. There will always be edge-cases as there is with any situation in any context. But for everyone that I've known, for everyone I've met a…

Another fellow Minnesotan here and former Minneapolis resident (used to live a mile away from Hiawatha and Lake back in the day). >Characterizing what is happening as an edge case is a huge mistake. People do not spontaneously start protesting with so much anger if it hasn't built up over so long. These protests are at least partly drummed up by out of state agitators, and are implicitly condoned by a feckless and we…

> These protests are at least partly drummed up by out of state agitators, and are implicitly condoned by a feckless and weak state and local government that would rather give ground (literally) than enforce the rule of law.

Its primary failure in enforcing the rule of law has been its inability to enforce it on police officers.

What we're seeing is the consequence of decades of lawless behavior by police. People have had enough of being terrorized by it.

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Post by Gabriel_Martin »

joshmn wrote: post #3

Native Minnesotan here — living in Minneapolis — that has lived on both coasts: With all that's happening the last few days, please don't generally associate Minnesotans with the violent riots that have captured the attention of everyone. The peacefulness of the protests and gatherings has been overshadowed by the violence. There are countless examples of Minnesotans standing up to those who choose to loot and destro…

Honestly, I only wish I could generally associate the people outraged rioting in the streets with the average Minnesotans, that would probably have prevented the culture that lead to where we are today. Maybe, for example if there were countless examples of Minnesotans standing up to racism and police brutality?

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Post by arprocter »

ideals wrote: post #207
petee wrote: post #5

The tracking website has some great info, like this RC-26B with electronic surveillance hardware headed for Louisville: https://tar1090.adsbexchange.com/?icao=adfd7f https://www.flickr.com/photos/eigjb/3460872978 And this is the track of the drone over Minneapolis, which seemed to veer off around the time the story came out: https://tar1090.adsbexchange.com/?icao=ae4bd7

Perhaps you or someone else knows, but I frequent the https://tar1090.adsbexchange.com website often and I see unusual tail numbers listed and I can't figure out why they are listed as such. They may not even be military aircraft but just small aircraft. The tail number in this example below is _AE0B60 and registration is n/a Here's an example screenshot of what I mean https://imgur.com/a/A1p4N2c Does anyone what thi…

Those are hex codes - it seems to show that when it doesn't know the reg or an aircraft doesn't report one

http://www.milradiocomms.com/search_mil_hexcodes.php?type_of...

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