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Re: US customs and border protection is flying a surveillance drone over Minneapolis

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Post by koheripbal »

joshmn wrote: post #3

Native Minnesotan here — living in Minneapolis — that has lived on both coasts: With all that's happening the last few days, please don't generally associate Minnesotans with the violent riots that have captured the attention of everyone. The peacefulness of the protests and gatherings has been overshadowed by the violence. There are countless examples of Minnesotans standing up to those who choose to loot and destro…

> But burning down the precinct? Yeah, I can get behind that

How is this not glorifying violence? Replace "precinct" with "school" or "church" , makes it more obvious. .. especially since the precinct was still occupied when it was attacked.

Re: US customs and border protection is flying a surveillance drone over Minneapolis

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Post by dang »

testbot123 wrote: post #101
corrupt_measure wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That sounds nice to radicals and perhaps functions well as something they tell themselves to excuse violent tendencies, but in reality it just disgusts the vast majority of law abiding people, as is the case with the current protests. Public opinion is quickly turning from sympathy to disgust.

You realize that radicals and those protesting are part of the "public", right? That their expression of grievances are part of "public opinion"? As for the people who are disgusted? Nobody cares. They're apologists for state violence, and if after all this time they still don't understand why things are unfolding the way they are, they're only a roadblock to progress.

Please keep ideological battle rhetoric off HN. It's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: US customs and border protection is flying a surveillance drone over Minneapolis

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Post by dang »

corrupt_measure wrote: post #70
majormajor wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Which was a terrible thing to because it harms the community and their own cause as it makes them look like thugs and villains. > And there have indeed been many taking advantage of the situation to steak and cause chaos for chaos' sake. Violence, as well as hangars-on who are just there for the violence, have been part of anti-state, anti-abuse-of-power protests since time immemorial. The only people who think it…

That sounds nice to radicals and perhaps functions well as something they tell themselves to excuse violent tendencies, but in reality it just disgusts the vast majority of law abiding people, as is the case with the current protests. Public opinion is quickly turning from sympathy to disgust.

It looks like this account is using HN primarily for ideological battle. Would you please not do that? It's explicitly against the site guidelines, because it destroys what HN is supposed to be for.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Plenty of past explanations: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...

Re: US customs and border protection is flying a surveillance drone over Minneapolis

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Post by Simulacra »

nightski wrote: post #136
jorblumesea wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The DOJ is part of the executive branch and is instrumental in setting national standards and investigating police departments. FBI as well. The executive branch has a fair amount of sway in how policing is done in the US and largely can help set direction, set policies, investigate departments and "clean house". for example: https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-announces-... Who is President is very muc…

Really? It is my understanding that in Minnesota the governor did not even have control over the local policing, that was left to local leadership (mayor + police chief). He only took over control today, which was a very rare move. So I am not following how the president has much authority over local police activities. That is why Trump is referencing the National Guard and not an actual police force.

What do you mean by "He only took over control today" ? From what I saw in this article it doesn't say anything about the Governor taking over local police departments; perhaps you're referring to the national guard?

Re: US customs and border protection is flying a surveillance drone over Minneapolis

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Post by Simulacra »

joering2 wrote: post #74
aaomidi wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you actually kidding me? Do you know who else decided to shoot rioters? Iran, Syria, China. Are you saying this is what we've come to? In that case, more power to these rioters to rid us of this disgusting state.

Its basically an opinion of so many people that 1776 was a nice and pleasant meeting between locals and British Government. The locals sat down and said: "sorry we do apologize but we do not want you here anymore; please kindly go". And then Brits responded: "sure! we spent centuries conquering the whole world, hundreds of thousands of our brothers and fathers died in the process, but since you so peaceful and ask so…

“When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.” -Attributed to Thomas Jefferson

Re: US customs and border protection is flying a surveillance drone over Minneapolis

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Post by marcrosoft »

joshmn wrote: post #3

Native Minnesotan here — living in Minneapolis — that has lived on both coasts: With all that's happening the last few days, please don't generally associate Minnesotans with the violent riots that have captured the attention of everyone. The peacefulness of the protests and gatherings has been overshadowed by the violence. There are countless examples of Minnesotans standing up to those who choose to loot and destro…

> But burning down the precinct? Yeah, I can get behind that.

Oof

Re: US customs and border protection is flying a surveillance drone over Minneapolis

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Post by ColanR »

pm90 wrote: post #22

This was very predictable. Tools invented for military operations abroad eventually, predictably find their way back domestically. Despite that, its a dangerous thing to happen. I am aware of how unlikely it is for the current US Government to use the drone offensively, but once you have a massive fleet of drones flying over the US, patrolling "troubling" neighborhoods constantly, the temptation to use those abilitie…

This has been happening for at least 4 years already.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/03/the-rap...

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/peteraldhous/spies-in-t...

Re: US customs and border protection is flying a surveillance drone over Minneapolis

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Post by a3n »

king_magic wrote: post #71
a3n wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have any issue with reporting the fact of and details of the surveillance?

Apply that same question to every other type of police surveillance. Why is this materially different?

It both is and is not different. It's different because of the obvious riots.

But it's not different in the long: we should be aware of mass surveillance, because it can affect freedom of association (chilling), and can advance government abuse.

Citizens should always watch the government, so that we have a chance to rein them in. Its our government, not the other way around.

Re: US customs and border protection is flying a surveillance drone over Minneapolis

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Post by mywittyname »

corrupt_measure wrote: post #70
majormajor wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Which was a terrible thing to because it harms the community and their own cause as it makes them look like thugs and villains. > And there have indeed been many taking advantage of the situation to steak and cause chaos for chaos' sake. Violence, as well as hangars-on who are just there for the violence, have been part of anti-state, anti-abuse-of-power protests since time immemorial. The only people who think it…

That sounds nice to radicals and perhaps functions well as something they tell themselves to excuse violent tendencies, but in reality it just disgusts the vast majority of law abiding people, as is the case with the current protests. Public opinion is quickly turning from sympathy to disgust.

This is exactly why agent provacateurs exist.
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