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Patrick McKenzie (patio11) on Japan Aid: Help for the Well-Prepared

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Re: Patrick McKenzie (patio11) on Japan Aid: Help for the Well-Prepared

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Boy, the commenters there don't seem to agree with him much.

Neither does Yuhei Sato, who is the governor of Fukushima prefecture: " Mr Sato said centres already housing people who had been moved from their homes near the plant did not have enough hot meals and basic necessities such as fuel and medical supplies. "We're lacking everything," he said. " http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12763273

These are not necessarily contradictory. Fukushima can quite easily be lacking all of those things because they're stuck on the wrong side of Japan, where more people who don't know how to fix roads or speak Japanese won't help. Similarly, adding more supplies to the piles on the wrong side of the country won't help either.

The point here is that the bottleneck is distribution of things that already exist, not getting them to Japan in the first place.

Re: Patrick McKenzie (patio11) on Japan Aid: Help for the Well-Prepared

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I have great respect for Patrick, and usually agree with him, but in this case I think his conclusion is far off-mark. Japanese citizens need our help , on a massive scale. The government may not need any assistance, but the families and communities ravaged by the disaster have an unbounded need for aid. I've lived in Uganda and Cambodia, two countries which get a disproportionate share of Western aid. Yet still, eve…

Japan is the third largest economy in the world. Uganda and Cambodia don't even make it into the top hundred. Most of those 'development dollars' never even make their way remotely close to the people in third-world countries; the graft and corruption sees to that. I live in Tokyo, and it's pretty insulting to hear this kind of shit. Japan can certainly use the short-term help, especially from trained rescue workers,…

Yes, I realize that Japan is the third largest economy in the world. But living in a wealthy nation doesn't mean that your home is magically rebuilt. (Just ask the residents of New Orleans' Ninth Ward.)

Thousands of residents of Minami Sanriku are homeless. The fact that you, in Tokyo, still have your home, is great for you, but totally irrelevant to those suffering in Minami Sanriku.

I'm very confused by posts which seem to suggest that the Japanese government can completely restore everything that was lost.

Until someone who has actually had their home and loved ones washed away tells me "please stop giving", I am going to continue. To each his own.

Re: Patrick McKenzie (patio11) on Japan Aid: Help for the Well-Prepared

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Boy, the commenters there don't seem to agree with him much.

Neither does Yuhei Sato, who is the governor of Fukushima prefecture: " Mr Sato said centres already housing people who had been moved from their homes near the plant did not have enough hot meals and basic necessities such as fuel and medical supplies. "We're lacking everything," he said. " http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12763273

You can truck those in from Arkansas, right?

Re: Patrick McKenzie (patio11) on Japan Aid: Help for the Well-Prepared

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My consolidated response: 1) Shortages in Fukushima, etc, are not caused by lack of food or money. Japan has plenty of food and money. Japan has a temporary logistics problem with getting food to particular refugee sites, because of a number of issues, most critically that the infrastructure for delivering gas in the east got a severe monkey-wrench thrown into it and it is difficult to truck in enough to do distribut…

Randomly jumping on a flight into Japan to wander around asking people in English if they need help is obviously stupid. But that's not just stupid for Japan, that's stupid for pretty much everywhere. Pointing out its stupidity isn't useful - people who would do that aren't listening to you anyways - so why conflate that sort of behavior with simple, non-disruptive, non-panic-inducing actions like donating money to t…

they'll spend it somewhere else

"Spend it somewhere else" was exactly what I wrote in my blog post, but when the New York Times says "We can give you three hundred words" then Priority #1 is "Don't Panic" and Priority #Left_On_Cutting_Room_Floor is explaining to people how relief organizations actually operate.

Re: Patrick McKenzie (patio11) on Japan Aid: Help for the Well-Prepared

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My consolidated response: 1) Shortages in Fukushima, etc, are not caused by lack of food or money. Japan has plenty of food and money. Japan has a temporary logistics problem with getting food to particular refugee sites, because of a number of issues, most critically that the infrastructure for delivering gas in the east got a severe monkey-wrench thrown into it and it is difficult to truck in enough to do distribut…

"Please keep in mind, when you're hearing from anybody (including me), you're hearing something which was true X amount of time ago in a situation evolving very rapidly."

Under these conditions I think it's better to just refer people to the good/right sources of information. Everyone wanting there 15 minutes by jumping to conclusions seem to be a big part of the problem.

Re: Patrick McKenzie (patio11) on Japan Aid: Help for the Well-Prepared

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I have great respect for Patrick, and usually agree with him, but in this case I think his conclusion is far off-mark. Japanese citizens need our help , on a massive scale. The government may not need any assistance, but the families and communities ravaged by the disaster have an unbounded need for aid. I've lived in Uganda and Cambodia, two countries which get a disproportionate share of Western aid. Yet still, eve…

I'm going to agree with you (portman).

I think it's obvious that hopping on a plane and thinking one will be of any use on the ground is grossly misguided. Yes. Absolutely.

However to dismiss aid saying "we're a rich country, we can handle it" sounds strange. On average, the country is rich, yes. On the ground, each one of the people huddled in shelters is not rich (wealthy). These are people who will not have jobs for some time to come. The government itself is massively in debt (over 200% of GDP).

So, to assume the voice for the whole country, especially the devastated areas, while seated in a comfy 2DK in Tokyo rings a little hollow. A bit like the emperor going on TV _days_ after the event and pretty much just saying, I'm with you, persevere, we're all suffering, look, I'm even forgoing the convenience of electricity for two hours a day (what? what? what does that even mean?)

I'd say give aid organizations which can help in the affected areas. People are going to be displaced for a _long_ time, they will need food, medicines, supplies, etc. This is not going to be over in a month. Money will be needed to help these people survive while they sort their lives out.

In addition, Japan being a country of relatively old people, there are quite a few who have no relatives. Or the relatives live very far away and cannot help.

I know you're proud of Japan. I would hope all foreigners in every country would adopt their new homeland they way you have. Still, I think you should drop the pride a little and understand the gravity of the situation with a little more humility.

Re: Patrick McKenzie (patio11) on Japan Aid: Help for the Well-Prepared

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Japan is the third largest economy in the world. Uganda and Cambodia don't even make it into the top hundred. Most of those 'development dollars' never even make their way remotely close to the people in third-world countries; the graft and corruption sees to that. I live in Tokyo, and it's pretty insulting to hear this kind of shit. Japan can certainly use the short-term help, especially from trained rescue workers,…

Yes, I realize that Japan is the third largest economy in the world. But living in a wealthy nation doesn't mean that your home is magically rebuilt. (Just ask the residents of New Orleans' Ninth Ward.) Thousands of residents of Minami Sanriku are homeless. The fact that you, in Tokyo, still have your home, is great for you, but totally irrelevant to those suffering in Minami Sanriku. I'm very confused by posts which…

Yes, they have been hard hit.

But wandering around handing out a few $50 notes won't help them that much. Especially since you would be putting more strain on scare resources on-site.

I'm sure donations will be appreciated, but going there (as a non-expert) would cause more problems than it would solve.

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This is like saying that people in New Orleans didn't need help after Katrina just because I lived nowhere near Louisiana. Don't take your frustration at 'the West' for thinking that people in Tokyo are as hard hit as the areas to the north out on others. Just because life goes on in Tokyo does not mean that there is no crisis to the north. Your entire post comes across to me as high arrogance. If by Shinto-buddhism,…

I never said that the people up north don't need help; I have family and friends up there, and will be spending April and May helping people to rebuild. What they don't need is a patronizing attitude. These people are tough, and they will overcome. The reason that supplies aren't getting up to Sendai is not that there aren't any. The transportation network is broken, and fuel is in short supply. Fukushima's got the d…

  > What they don't need is a patronizing attitude. These people are tough, and
  > they will overcome.
So the rest of the world should just ignore the tragedy that happened because it isn't really a tragedy and the people are tough enough to get through it?

  > Panic is the real problem here, and the rest of the world acting like the entire
  > country has just been leveled by the fist of God is part of the problem.
Is the reaction of the rest of the world really causing the Japanese people to panic? Is this what you are so frustrated with?

  > I wouldn't be so frustrated if I didn't have to deal with daily phone calls from
  > people back home asking whether or not I've grown a third head
Don't take that out on the rest of us.

  > Youth groups, church football leagues, and all the other
  > stuff you have in the US doesn't exist here.

  > So, no, they're not like agnostic christians.
I never meant to imply that Shinto-Buddhists and Agnostic Christians were exactly alike. I'm sorry if you took it that way. I was hinting towards that fact that they might not participate actively in the religion as much as older folks do (and generations past might have), while at the same time self-identifying with the religion. Much in the way many Agnostic Christians identify as Christian, but don't belong to any church or attend any regular services.

Personally I don't see how being an Agnostic Christian has anything to do with youth groups, church football games, etc. Are you claiming that all (or even most) Agnostic Christians participate actively in a church community? I was using the term to represent people that self-identify as being Christian (or maybe only sorta feel like there must be some god in a generic sense), but don't really participate in the religion. Am I using the term wrong?

  > most people don't identify with specific temples or shrines
Now maybe, but it's my understanding that in the past the temple at which your family was formally registered meant something more than what you are implying. (Though this was really imposed by the government of the time)

I'll admit that my viewpoints may be skewed because Jodo Shinshu 'temples' in the US and Canada were modeled after Christian churches because the Japanese immigrants were trying to fit in, and going to a more traditional temple would have just been another way that they were different. On the other hand, I've met 'ministers' that grew up (and studied) in Japan, and they didn't really say that things were so much different here. So I don't know.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is like saying that people in New Orleans didn't need help after Katrina just because I lived nowhere near Louisiana. Don't take your frustration at 'the West' for thinking that people in Tokyo are as hard hit as the areas to the north out on others. Just because life goes on in Tokyo does not mean that there is no crisis to the north. Your entire post comes across to me as high arrogance. If by Shinto-buddhism,…

I never said that the people up north don't need help; I have family and friends up there, and will be spending April and May helping people to rebuild. What they don't need is a patronizing attitude. These people are tough, and they will overcome. The reason that supplies aren't getting up to Sendai is not that there aren't any. The transportation network is broken, and fuel is in short supply. Fukushima's got the d…

Not to nitpick too much, but I do believe what you're calling a "kami-dana" is actually a "butsudan". The "kami-dana" is shinto, and the "butsudan" is Buddhist, and you keep them in separate rooms, from my understanding (although I don't delve too deep into the details of any religion).

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My consolidated response: 1) Shortages in Fukushima, etc, are not caused by lack of food or money. Japan has plenty of food and money. Japan has a temporary logistics problem with getting food to particular refugee sites, because of a number of issues, most critically that the infrastructure for delivering gas in the east got a severe monkey-wrench thrown into it and it is difficult to truck in enough to do distribut…

There is much to be done, I'm only not sure how.

Even though Japan has enough resources, to borrow a phrase from Alan Kay, help is there but it is unevenly distributed.

When Brisbane got flooded earlier this year, there were a lot of friends and strangers who came around and volunteered their time to help my parents clean up. There were also people who volunteered their weekends to clean up street by street. Some people donated buses to ferry volunteers around, others trucks to carry waste to the dump.

One guy made sandwiches and gave them out to everyone on the street until power came back on about a week later.

The biggest problems a couple of weeks post-flood faced were:

1. electricity

2. heating

3. food refrigeration

4. cooking equipment

5. washing clothes

The minor ones were:

1. table for eating, writing

2. boxes to store clothes

Even if people are insured, insurance claims took about 8 weeks. (I just got my cheque last week for some minor flood damage). Then there is the long wait for builders to get started.

In the meantime, the supply chain is completely broken. Bakers don't have flour, people don't have work. Survivors are idle and need work to take their mind off their predicament, but these people will need to be organised and mobilized.

For areas that are not affected by flood, it was still another month before milk started reappearing on shelfs. I remembered that vegetables were difficult to come by, and my parents were thinking of making bean sprouts.

Even though I'm sure Japan can stand on its own, it is nice to have people help out because it helps you to realize you are not on your own, and a lot of people care about you.

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