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8GB Raspberry Pi 4 on sale now at $75

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Re: 8GB Raspberry Pi 4 on sale now at $75

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Post by bscphil »

phonon wrote: post #45
intsunny wrote: post #41

I am strongly hoping that the 8GB Rpi + NexDock would be a good low cost laptop for web browsing, text editing and terminal. I've been turned off from investing in a new laptop for a variety of reasons: - Apple has made questionable hardware design decisions lately. If Louis Rossmann is to be believed, the T2 chip + secureboot situation is just as bad as the old keyboard situation. It sucks having no say over the har…

> - AMD's Ryzen 4000 products look amazing, but (almost?) none of the laptops are 13" with high quality screens. Check out the Xiaomi RedmiBook 13 (100% sRGB coverage).

My laptop's display panel is almost 10 years old, and has about 96% AdobeRGB coverage. 100% sRGB should be considered barely above shit-tier. Probably fine if you don't do any photo or video editing ever, I guess?

Re: 8GB Raspberry Pi 4 on sale now at $75

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Post by smichel17 »

Zenst wrote: post #114
gambiting wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, the obvious issue you're missing here is the fact that the steering wheel is on the right/wrong(heh) side, hugely limiting the potential for exporting your second hand cars elsewhere. Even then, I do know about a few successful businesses, where people have been exporting cars from UK to Poland, moving the steering wheel to the other side, and yet still making money in the process, the value of second hand cars…

+1 Your right, that was a glaring oversight and does also play a big factor.

I love that HN's culture is one where people can gracefully admit that they were wrong, and that's that (no further dogpiling to call them out on the earlier error).

Re: 8GB Raspberry Pi 4 on sale now at $75

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Post by kiddico »

intsunny wrote: post #112
Jonnax wrote: post #70

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Why are you comparing $1000+ laptops to a raspberry pi and a dock? If the raspberry pi meets your needs, consider a much cheaper laptop

Beacuse if I spend $1000 (even $2000) I want to get that much value for that purchase. Or I can spend significantly less and be that much less married to that purchase. Between Apple's missteps, Intel's not ideal products/roadmap, and AMD's lack of uptake, the current products do not seem to offer the value for their costs. The 2015 13" rMBP was by far my most favorite laptop I have ever owned. I have never regretted…

Why not just continue to use the 2015 13" rMBP? It outclasses a Raspi + Nexdoc in every way I can think of, and if you still have it it's free :D

Since 2015s doesn't have the T2 nonsense and you were fine with linux on the rpi and there's no T2 stopping you, then you can just wipe it and install what you want.

Re: 8GB Raspberry Pi 4 on sale now at $75

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Post by jmiserez »

boomlinde wrote: post #84
Mengkudulangsat wrote: post #71

Question from a non-technical person. I've been reading a lot about tiny websites on HN (e.g. https://bearblog.dev ). Can we use these Raspberry Pis to host them? Are they performant enough? Is setting things up newbie-friendly? Having your own little corner on the internet that no one can shut down sounds pretty cool.

Yes, they are definitely fast enough for simple pages to a few thousand daily visitors. I've hosted dynamic websites from home using much more modest hardware and eventually used a first model Raspberry Pi for it. Eventually I moved my sites to a VPS out of convenience. My ISP can't guarantee a static address with my current plan (although I've found it is static in practice so far), and the additional cost of a plan…

Just a heads up, DynDNS hasn't been free for years. Even the most basic plan is way too expensive for what you get.

If your DNS provider has a CLI just use that. I use Route53 and a simple cronjob to update it.

Re: 8GB Raspberry Pi 4 on sale now at $75

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Post by notanote »

znpy wrote: post #79
smileybarry wrote: post #28

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USB boot is coming, beta started a week ago: https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=274595

I'm surprised no one is getting excited for pxe boot. That's a game changer.

That’s been available on earlier versions of the Pi (2B v1.2, 3B, 3B+).

It was not available at launch for the Pi 4, but was released in beta firmware in late September, and is currently part of the critical firmware update.

It works well, allowing separate boot images for each individual Pi on your network.

Re: 8GB Raspberry Pi 4 on sale now at $75

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Post by tonyedgecombe »

dijit wrote: post #42
gambiting wrote: post #38

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I don't know where you are in the EU but UK refurbishers constantly sell post-lease desktops and laptops on ebay for around £50, shipping to any EU country is usually £10-20 on top of that, if anything. Like this kind of stuff: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HP-Lenovo-Intel-i3-Dual-Core-i5-Q... Is plentiful and easy to buy, again - ships anywhere in the EU. As for the power consumption - I have to disagree again, I have…

UK is generally an outlier when it comes to the second hand market for some reason. Our used cars go for peanuts compared to used cars in the mainland for example. I am often trawling the UK ebay for tech stuff because it's so much cheaper than Blocket (a craigslist-like) here in Sweden. PS: very very pedantically and technically, UK isn't an EU member any longer. Although there is some limbo period.

In the UK, cars gradually migrate to the north of the country as they age.

Re: 8GB Raspberry Pi 4 on sale now at $75

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Post by dspillett »

Legogris wrote: post #50
kart23 wrote: post #21

This is cool. Whats really holding it back at this point is it's use of a sd card. I find that its pretty difficult to use 4gb of ram on a pi practically, and its often bottlenecked by I/O. It might just be my SD card, but executing trivial commands sometimes takes forever and reminds me that I'm in a pi. I've heard ssds can improve speeds a lot, but you still cant boot off usb.

You actually can boot straight from USB as of very recently. Something you've always been able to do is to keep just the boot partition on a small SD card and the root on whatever USB device you like. And yes, even with the supposedly best-performing SD cards, they easily become a problem both with performance and failure.

> You actually can boot straight from USB as of very recently.

IITC that is still not officially supported (as a beta-test feature?), though many report it works as intended.

In the meantime if people don't want to use a beta feature the boot-from-SD-mount-root-elsewhere option works well too. You could also run it of an NFS share instead of a USB stick, though the performance metrics will differ.

Re: 8GB Raspberry Pi 4 on sale now at $75

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Post by znpy »

notanote wrote: post #125
znpy wrote: post #79

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I'm surprised no one is getting excited for pxe boot. That's a game changer.

That’s been available on earlier versions of the Pi (2B v1.2, 3B, 3B+). It was not available at launch for the Pi 4, but was released in beta firmware in late September, and is currently part of the critical firmware update. It works well, allowing separate boot images for each individual Pi on your network.

yup, i tried netbooting on the 3b+, with root on nfs and without an sdcard.

> It works well, allowing separate boot images for each individual Pi on your network.

could you elaborate a bit more on that?

Re: 8GB Raspberry Pi 4 on sale now at $75

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Post by tyingq »

rasz wrote: post #8

Before anyone goes "OMG I could use it as a desktop" $75 is close to what you would pay for couple year old ~4 faster laptop with broken screen, sodimm and PCIE SSD slots. Quick ebay check shows things like $90 'Dell XPS12 i7-3537U 8gb 128GB SSD broken screen'

I agree that the $75 is misleading. That doesn't include shipping, a power supply, a small SSD, etc.

And the used market is great. My favorite for a very small desktop are the Lenovo USFF devices like the M92P, M93P, etc. You have to search a bit, but you can find 8GB models with an i3/i5, small SSD, and Windows 10 for $110 or so on eBay.

Not as small as a Rpi, but pretty compact: https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0036/4806/1509/products/m0...

Re: 8GB Raspberry Pi 4 on sale now at $75

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Post by MayeulC »

sylvain_kerkour wrote: post #19
MayeulC wrote: post #11

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It sounds like pine64 devices are miles ahead in terms of upstream kernel support, though. The remaining issue was with GPU support, but that's being taken care of with the Lima/Panfrost project, which now runs great.

Unfortunately, their low specs make them really far from usable. I know that it may improve in the future, but as of today, 2GB of Ram for the PineTab...

Of course, you are free to pick whatever you want from their store, but comparing a raspberrypi with a PineTab is a bit unfair, as these two products are quite different.

Moreover, I disagree with your suggestion that 2GB is useless in a tablet. It really depends on the use-case, and I have rarely seen a capability range similar to the pineTab in a tablet from-factor.

Have a look at the RockPro64, for instance: https://www.pine64.org/rockpro64/

The 4GB version is about $80, but offers PCIe 4x, 128Mbit Flash, Gigabit Ethernet, USB-C Host With Video Out, and an eDP Port, among others.

It's true that the A64 family only goes up to 2GB, but the rock64 family goes to 4GB for $45. All offer valid tradeoffs to the Pi family :)

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