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Re: 8GB Raspberry Pi 4 on sale now at $75

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Post by microtonal »

paines wrote: post #30
Hippocrates wrote: post #16

Does anyone know if the rPi4 can play HD (1080p) video in a browser smoothly yet? I bought one to use as a media PC after reading that it could play 4K video. Apparently it can’t even do 1080p in the browser though (YouTube etc)

Yes it can do full hd, ever since at least rPi3. Problem here is chromium. Use omxplayer and the rPi4 will do 4k in full glory. I think you can even use omxplayer with youtube somehow. Chromium doesn't even do hardware decoding on x86 desktops, you just don't notice it, because the cpu's are fast enough to do it nowadays.

s|on x86 desktops|on x86/x86_64 Linux desktops|

Re: 8GB Raspberry Pi 4 on sale now at $75

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Post by intsunny »

Jonnax wrote: post #70
intsunny wrote: post #41

I am strongly hoping that the 8GB Rpi + NexDock would be a good low cost laptop for web browsing, text editing and terminal. I've been turned off from investing in a new laptop for a variety of reasons: - Apple has made questionable hardware design decisions lately. If Louis Rossmann is to be believed, the T2 chip + secureboot situation is just as bad as the old keyboard situation. It sucks having no say over the har…

Why are you comparing $1000+ laptops to a raspberry pi and a dock? If the raspberry pi meets your needs, consider a much cheaper laptop

Beacuse if I spend $1000 (even $2000) I want to get that much value for that purchase. Or I can spend significantly less and be that much less married to that purchase.

Between Apple's missteps, Intel's not ideal products/roadmap, and AMD's lack of uptake, the current products do not seem to offer the value for their costs.

The 2015 13" rMBP was by far my most favorite laptop I have ever owned. I have never regretted spending what I did on that machine.

If a Raspi + Nexdoc costs $300, I'm not going to be very broken up over replacing it in a year or two. I cannot say the same for a $1000-2000 laptop.

Re: 8GB Raspberry Pi 4 on sale now at $75

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Post by wegs »

eloisant wrote: post #102
intsunny wrote: post #41

I am strongly hoping that the 8GB Rpi + NexDock would be a good low cost laptop for web browsing, text editing and terminal. I've been turned off from investing in a new laptop for a variety of reasons: - Apple has made questionable hardware design decisions lately. If Louis Rossmann is to be believed, the T2 chip + secureboot situation is just as bad as the old keyboard situation. It sucks having no say over the har…

I really have a hard time understanding the appeal of the NexDock. With a phone processor it will still be ARM, you won't get a great laptop. But it already costs $250, for that price you can get an entry-level laptop that will probably perform in a similar way while still leaving your phone independent.

(1) Phones have your data, settings, apps, etc. on them. Syncing things sucks.

(2) The ARM in your phone is probably faster than a $250 laptop CPU. It can be plenty fine for most tasks.

(3) Many of us aren't CPU-bound in the first place. The only thing holding our phones back are software, keyboard, and display.

Done well, it'd be awesome. I definitely want something like the NexDock. However, I'll probably wait for V2 or V3. I think V1 will be good for people who would use it like a Chromebook.

My V5 NexDock would look like an actual dock, and plug my phone into:

* a pair of 4k monitors

* a keyboard, a mouse

* a pair of external HDDs (keeping my data backed up in RAID, and holding larger files)

And have good software / application support.

Re: 8GB Raspberry Pi 4 on sale now at $75

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Post by Zenst »

gambiting wrote: post #110
Zenst wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Our used cars go for peanuts compared to used cars in the mainland for example. I was somewhat intrigued by the use of the term mainland, but it certainly has some debate behind it: https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/3652/how-to-refe... Yes second hand cars in the UK are cheaper, factors being that there has been a consumer rise for a while, seeing more second hand cars. This with the island effect makes f…

Well, the obvious issue you're missing here is the fact that the steering wheel is on the right/wrong(heh) side, hugely limiting the potential for exporting your second hand cars elsewhere. Even then, I do know about a few successful businesses, where people have been exporting cars from UK to Poland, moving the steering wheel to the other side, and yet still making money in the process, the value of second hand cars…

+1 Your right, that was a glaring oversight and does also play a big factor.

Re: 8GB Raspberry Pi 4 on sale now at $75

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Post by rasz »

dijit wrote: post #42
gambiting wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know where you are in the EU but UK refurbishers constantly sell post-lease desktops and laptops on ebay for around £50, shipping to any EU country is usually £10-20 on top of that, if anything. Like this kind of stuff: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HP-Lenovo-Intel-i3-Dual-Core-i5-Q... Is plentiful and easy to buy, again - ships anywhere in the EU. As for the power consumption - I have to disagree again, I have…

UK is generally an outlier when it comes to the second hand market for some reason. Our used cars go for peanuts compared to used cars in the mainland for example. I am often trawling the UK ebay for tech stuff because it's so much cheaper than Blocket (a craigslist-like) here in Sweden. PS: very very pedantically and technically, UK isn't an EU member any longer. Although there is some limbo period.

>Our used cars go for peanuts

something to do with steering wheel being on wrong site making them useless to all of EU other than for parts.

Re: 8GB Raspberry Pi 4 on sale now at $75

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Post by dcm360 »

Zenst wrote: post #108
Legogris wrote: post #52

> The BCM2711 chip that we use on Raspberry Pi 4 can address up to 16GB of LPDDR4 SDRAM, so the real barrier to our offering a larger-memory variant was the lack of an 8GB LPDDR4 package. These didn’t exist (at least in a form that we could address) in 2019, but happily our partners at Micron stepped up earlier this year with a suitable part. All other SBCs in this market segments have also been capped at 4GB - I'm h…

EDIT - got excited as because I misread and brainfarted GB and Gb and below is what followed - sorry for that folks: Interesting as Samsung developed a 8GB LPDDR4 memory chip back in 2013 - https://news.samsung.com/global/samsung-develops-industrys-f... Looking at Micron (who probably tickd the box on price to make this happen), they can do 16Gb modules. So that may well happen. However the power aspect as already in…

This is a case where you should read with care, and notice the difference between Gb and GB. The chip from 2013 that you mention, has a capacity of 8Gb = 1GB. Chips with a capacity of 16Gb are indeed very common, because manufactures put 8 of them on a RAM-module with a capacity of 16GB.

Re: 8GB Raspberry Pi 4 on sale now at $75

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Post by youngtaff »

Legogris wrote: post #62
youngtaff wrote: post #48

I'd like a Pi with built in POE and eMMC support Something like the profile of the original Ubiquiti CloudKey would be ideal (don't need most of the ports on the Pi) https://www.ui.com/unifi/unifi-cloud-key/

Like a Rock Pi 4? https://rockpi.org/rockpi4

Unfortunately POE is still external on the Rock Pi 4

A carrier board for Compute Module with just POE / ethernet, USB ports and and SD card slot would be good enough too

I literally want same form factor as the Ubiquiti board but with open source support, and sufficient power to charge a phone from the USB port

Orange Pi Zero is along the right lines but doesn't have enough RAM for my needs and I'm unsure about the processor

http://www.orangepi.org/orangepizerolts/

Re: 8GB Raspberry Pi 4 on sale now at $75

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Post by Zenst »

dcm360 wrote: post #116
Zenst wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

EDIT - got excited as because I misread and brainfarted GB and Gb and below is what followed - sorry for that folks: Interesting as Samsung developed a 8GB LPDDR4 memory chip back in 2013 - https://news.samsung.com/global/samsung-develops-industrys-f... Looking at Micron (who probably tickd the box on price to make this happen), they can do 16Gb modules. So that may well happen. However the power aspect as already in…

This is a case where you should read with care, and notice the difference between Gb and GB. The chip from 2013 that you mention, has a capacity of 8Gb = 1GB. Chips with a capacity of 16Gb are indeed very common, because manufactures put 8 of them on a RAM-module with a capacity of 16GB.

My bad, sorry for that.

Re: 8GB Raspberry Pi 4 on sale now at $75

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Post by linguae »

intsunny wrote: post #41

I am strongly hoping that the 8GB Rpi + NexDock would be a good low cost laptop for web browsing, text editing and terminal. I've been turned off from investing in a new laptop for a variety of reasons: - Apple has made questionable hardware design decisions lately. If Louis Rossmann is to be believed, the T2 chip + secureboot situation is just as bad as the old keyboard situation. It sucks having no say over the har…

I've been thinking the same thing lately, though I didn't know about the NexDock project until I read your post. My dream would be something like a modern-day ThinkPad X61 or ThinkPad X220 for its durability and its keyboard. However, it would have an upgraded monitor (I would like something better than 1024x768 or even 1333x768), and it would be connected to a Raspberry Pi 4. Any time I want to upgrade, I just upgrade the Raspberry Pi while I keep my laptop chassis.

Re: 8GB Raspberry Pi 4 on sale now at $75

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Post by bouvin »

2sk21 wrote: post #57
kart23 wrote: post #21

This is cool. Whats really holding it back at this point is it's use of a sd card. I find that its pretty difficult to use 4gb of ram on a pi practically, and its often bottlenecked by I/O. It might just be my SD card, but executing trivial commands sometimes takes forever and reminds me that I'm in a pi. I've heard ssds can improve speeds a lot, but you still cant boot off usb.

I also read recently that the lack of cooling can really throttle the performance of a Pi4. Do you have a good heat sink and fan installed?

The RPi4 was designed with bursts of activity in mind, but for more sustained work without thermal throttling I have had very good experiences with the Argon One case (https://www.argon40.com/catalog/product/view/id/52/s/argon-o...) and the Flirc case (https://flirc.tv/more/raspberry-pi-4-case).
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