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The Day AppGet Died

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Re: The Day AppGet Died

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post #59

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> And then, I didn’t hear anything back from anyone at Microsoft for six months. This does not mean he did not ask during that time.

Right, but if he did and hadn't heard back I would have expected him to note that he asked. It's a significant thing to not note.

He mentions this at the bottom of the article. He followed up and continue to get radio silence, even to the point that HR ignored his request for reimbursable expenses.

Re: The Day AppGet Died

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Sounded like they wanted to hire you for their package manager and you chose not to pursue. You have every right to be mad I suppose but as you say in the article, and in that comment, you're definitely aware of what happens to open source projects. On the other hand I'm mainly glad their adaptation was open source. I think they have to maintain their own version in order to ensure that they don't wind up with some r…

From the article, it sounds like he did pursue. After some interviews Microsoft dropped contact.

Could these be a second side to the story that maybe he didn’t interview well or some other reason?

Re: The Day AppGet Died

#143
post #80

Author here, Because it's sure to come up here is a comment I wrote on Reddit that clarifies somethings, I haven't updated the original article since I'm not sure what the etiquette for updating a highly shared article is. ------ Code being copied isn't an issue. I knew full well what it meant to release something opensource and I don't regret it one bit. What was copied with no credit is the foundation of the projec…

Did you get azure credits after all? Looks like they 'forgot' about this as well.

Re: The Day AppGet Died

#144
post #80

Author here, Because it's sure to come up here is a comment I wrote on Reddit that clarifies somethings, I haven't updated the original article since I'm not sure what the etiquette for updating a highly shared article is. ------ Code being copied isn't an issue. I knew full well what it meant to release something opensource and I don't regret it one bit. What was copied with no credit is the foundation of the projec…

Did you get azure credits after all? Looks like they 'forgot' about this as well.

nope.

Re: The Day AppGet Died

#145
post #81

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This. Choose your side projects wisely.

Guilt by association. This kind of behavior stifles innovation and attempts to limit what people can do.

Not to me, but to some people, definitely.

I was about to hire a guy and discussing him with the president, it came up that he was into ASICs for crypto mining (years before it was a big thing)... president didn’t like it, figured the guy to be a get rich quick type and through his direction we passed over hiring him.

Turns out in this case, it was a good call, but right or wrong it was enough to push the guy back in the pool as he was already on the edge anyhow.

Re: The Day AppGet Died

#146
Isn't this completely usual corporate behavior? Even if the little guys building stuff make attempts to do the right thing, like contact and include people from outside who made the thing they are building upon, then at some level, at some stage, the arrangement gets stalled into oblivion to the point that the thing is already done and nothing can be handled gracefully anymore.

Re: The Day AppGet Died

#147

Microsoft is really good at copying. I mean this in as value-neutral a way as possible.

We can find comfort in the thought that they're not a Chinese company, whose copying kills kittens and freedom.

Ah, of course. Terrible when the Chinese do it, just terrible.

Re: The Day AppGet Died

#148

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At this point, why not keep it going? Your story is good enough reason to keep working and build a community and/or foundation around AppGet.

Can't think of a more wasted effort then trying to compete with maintaining a package manager in your spare time than a clone from the OS vendor who can out resource, outspend, out market, out evangelize, out reach you, etc. It would a futile endeavour, a realization acknowledged by the author, any further dev cycles on it would be wasted & are better spent elsewhere.

The most cynic part of this story is sending him an email the day before the launch with a heads-up that WinGet was launching.

And the icing on the cake is the "btw, we are giving you the exclusive so keep it secret".

Like, wtf. He ain't TechCrunch. Why the fuck are they giving him that exclusive? Nothing yells "we stole your stuff, but dude it was open source so you really can't complain, and thanks for the idea" more than that.

You can't make up this shit.

Re: The Day AppGet Died

#149
post #20

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I don't know the details of your project, but what if you open sourced under the GPL? I feels as though the world has soured on the GPL in recent years, but whenever I see this type of sentiment—that open sourcing work is just a gift from small developers to big tech companies, or something thereabouts—I think, wouldn't the GPL solve that problem? Sure, big companies can still use GPL'd code, but they're forced to gi…

By Eben Moglen's own admission[0], the GPL has never been successfully enforced in a court of law, even against criminal infringers. It seems toothless to me. A relic from a byegone era when companies cared about ethical behavior. [0] https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/enforcing-gpl.html

Note the date on that essay: it's from 2001. It has indeed come up in court in the last 19 years. For example:

https://wiki.fsfe.org/Migrated/GPL%20Enforcement%20Cases

Re: The Day AppGet Died

#150
post #76

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This. Choose your side projects wisely.

I really doubt it was it. Sonarr was one of the topics we talked about during the first meeting at Microsoft Vancouver. Even if that was the case, I have no regrets.

I love Sonarr, it has saved me so much time, and is truly a great project. Thank you for all your hard work.
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