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The Day AppGet Died

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Re: The Day AppGet Died

#61

Microsoft pretends to want to acquire a product or software and then release their own implementation. The developer was obviously brain-picked for any implementation ideas, as stated at scale. They should have been paying a retainer, or had an offer inside of two weeks. Let this be a warning for other developers.

AppGet is an open source program.

Besides, if Microsoft was interested in stealing it, he’d be interviewed at Microsoft Shanghai.

Re: The Day AppGet Died

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post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't secret news, but when you interview at MS there is always a secret / hidden interviewer. This is publicly known information from Cracking the Coding interview. This person is called the as appropriate and you only meet them if you pass all the prior interviews. Per his writeup, he did not meet that person, which means that he most likely did not pass the interview. He also for some reason didn't follow up…

> And then, I didn’t hear anything back from anyone at Microsoft for six months. This does not mean he did not ask during that time.

Right, but if he did and hadn't heard back I would have expected him to note that he asked. It's a significant thing to not note.

Re: The Day AppGet Died

#63
post #19

When you release free (as in freedom) software, you are not entitled to revenue sharing when people use or modify that software, or if people use the ideas in that software to make new, from-scratch software. I think Microsoft is a terrible organization and will rejoice the day they finally cease to exist as a concern, but they didn’t do anything wrong here. PHP didn’t “rip off” Perl, nor did CoffeeScript “rip off” r…

Then why in fucks sake do this acquihire interview charade? Just fork the codebase and be done with it!

Re: The Day AppGet Died

#64
post #7

Man, this hurt to read. Keivan’s response is the right one. But I wonder if the arrangements and outcome would have been different had AppGet been closed source. This is just not cricket from team Microsoft.

This isn't secret news, but when you interview at MS there is always a secret / hidden interviewer. This is publicly known information from Cracking the Coding interview. This person is called the as appropriate and you only meet them if you pass all the prior interviews. Per his writeup, he did not meet that person, which means that he most likely did not pass the interview. He also for some reason didn't follow up…

My understanding is when MS decides they aren't going to hire, they cut off all communication, total lot drop. Sometimes at their own campus, no feedback at all.

It's really an angering experience imo. I mean, I get it from a litigious mindset, but still not very humane.

Re: The Day AppGet Died

#65

I wonder if one day we'll know of all the stories of people who got wined-dined-fucked by the large corporations who then release their own version of an existing product.

VCs and even incubators do this all the time. It's one of their primary jobs to fish for information under the guise of helping you.

Re: The Day AppGet Died

#66
post #27

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GitHub -> Sourcehut VSCode -> GNU Emacs

You mispelled vim.

No, I didn't, because emacs is what I use and like. Pick an editor that's over 40 years old and not built out of a web browser. I'm not that fussed which one.

Re: The Day AppGet Died

#67

I have a sneaking suspicion that part of the reason for the sudden radio-silence after his on-campus interview is that someone up the chain realized he is also the creator of Sonarr and just nobody wanted to take ownership of that potential liability.

This. Choose your side projects wisely.

So that you don’t ruin your chances of being not ghosted by a company you barely want to work for.

Re: The Day AppGet Died

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post #20

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By Eben Moglen's own admission[0], the GPL has never been successfully enforced in a court of law, even against criminal infringers. It seems toothless to me. A relic from a byegone era when companies cared about ethical behavior. [0] https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/enforcing-gpl.html

The GPL has been used successfully in courts of law. It’s not common as most violators just open source when called out, or settle when sued, but it has worked before. A famous example is D-Link using the Linux kernel in their routers. After a lawsuit in Germany, D-Link had to release their changes.[0] I don’t understand this idea that a license that the author willingly released his code under is unenforceable, but…

Of course with all/most US routers generally taking only signed ROMs, it's mostly useless to even have the code.

I wish they'd just create something closer to tomato than the flashy, less useful interfaces.

Re: The Day AppGet Died

#69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't secret news, but when you interview at MS there is always a secret / hidden interviewer. This is publicly known information from Cracking the Coding interview. This person is called the as appropriate and you only meet them if you pass all the prior interviews. Per his writeup, he did not meet that person, which means that he most likely did not pass the interview. He also for some reason didn't follow up…

My understanding is when MS decides they aren't going to hire, they cut off all communication, total lot drop. Sometimes at their own campus, no feedback at all. It's really an angering experience imo. I mean, I get it from a litigious mindset, but still not very humane.

That's not true, usually you'll get a message from the recruiter. You might not get interview feedback, but you'll know if you got turned down.

Even if you don't, you submit applications through a recruiting site, and it tells you the current status of your application. It'll tell you if the application was rejected.

Re: The Day AppGet Died

#70

I have a sneaking suspicion that part of the reason for the sudden radio-silence after his on-campus interview is that someone up the chain realized he is also the creator of Sonarr and just nobody wanted to take ownership of that potential liability.

> Sonarr automates your TV downloads from public and private trackers (newsgroup and bittorrent)
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