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Re: Speech to Text on iPhone vs. Pixel

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Post by chrischen »

rytill wrote: post #70
anchpop wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would probably be easy for any on-device model. But it would be illegal

What part of it is illegal? What if they reverse engineered the model, and then understood the fundamentals of how it worked, and implemented and trained the same architecture with different data? Or trained their own architecture with data sampled from the Google model? is it "stealing" data, the architecture, the parameters, or the act of reverse engineering and productizing the knowledge?

That's what patents are for. The tricky part is figuring out what aspects were obvious or not to an industry professional.

Models are also usually black boxes, and the techniques used are published.

Re: Speech to Text on iPhone vs. Pixel

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Post by walterbell »

MrBuddyCasino wrote: post #69
walterbell wrote: post #31

Some hackers have been trying to reuse Google's offline speech recognition models within other software toolkits, https://hackaday.io/project/164399-android-offline-speech-re... > Especially the offline part is very appealing to me, as it should to any privacy conscious mind. Unfortunately this speech recognizer is only available to Pixel owners at this time. Since GBoard uses TensorFlow Lite, and the blog post is al…

Thats not the engine though, its just an API wrapper that enables infinite streams for the 5-minute limited sessions lengths of the Google API.

https://github.com/google/live-transcribe-speech-engine/blob...

> Extensible to offline models

Hopefully a future version can work without the cloud API.

Re: Speech to Text on iPhone vs. Pixel

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Post by maccard »

jiofih wrote: post #68
derefr wrote: post #65

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I don’t expect voicemail from other human beings, but I do expect it from my bank, my doctor, the government, my landlord, my plumber, my child’s school, the repair shop my car is in, etc. For local in-person-visitsble companies, a phone call is still the #1 way they update you on things. And, as they make most of these update calls while everyone is at work, inevitably these calls all become voice messages.

At least in Western Europe, there is near zero chance you’ll get an unexpected call from any of those. Either you’re the one calling, or updates will be sent via email / message / WhatsApp / some specialized app. Probably another efficiency consequence of human labor being insanely expensive.

I'm in the UK, and my dentist and doctor both communicate by phone, including appointment reminders. The garage I use has a website but no email, and they call if you're waiting on a part (not exactly unexpected but close enough). My car insurance and home insurance and bank (much to my dismay) all semi-regularly phone me, each of the ones Ivr listed I've had an unplanned phone call from in the last 6-12 months

Re: Speech to Text on iPhone vs. Pixel

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Post by maccard »

willis936 wrote: post #24
nods wrote: post #23

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Why do you say: "I use iPhones for the same privacy concerns as many of you"? In the past I have heard rumors that is not true, with a quick search I found out a recent article on the rumors that I heard once: https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2020/05/21/apple-ip... PS: Either way, I agree with most of your comment. :)

Because the alternative is Android, which is very difficult to de-Google. Even if you do de-Google you need to open yourself up to a swath of security concerns. Why would I trust some internet account that is giving me a binary that compromises my phone for me? Should I trust that it will only do what they say it will do because they are a good person? Would they have nothing to gain for having complete control of my…

A degoogled Android phone is also for all intents and purposes useless to many people - my work 2fa, work profile, banking apps, even some games all require Google services.

Re: Speech to Text on iPhone vs. Pixel

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Post by _hhkc »

ksec wrote: post #13

Well the iPhone is doing this online. While Pixel is doing it offline. Which is why the latency difference. ( Specific to English only, some languages still requires connection on Pixel ) I think dictation on iPhone is good enough, at least 10 times better than pre iPhone / Machine learning era. But it is also not as good as google. Partly because Google has more Data and started research way earlier, and partly beca…

iPhone is doing it on device ("Offline" as you say) as well

Re: Speech to Text on iPhone vs. Pixel

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Post by swamp40 »

tialaramex wrote: post #36

Similar offline versus online privacy thing for music recognition. My Pixel is sat here charging. Billie Eilish is singing in the background, by the time she sings "I should have known..." it has recognised the music and passively displayed "No Time To Die by Billie Eilish" on the lock screen. Google's team were building an ML model for music recognition and they realised oh - the smallest model fits on a phone. We d…

How in the world is that possible with 97 million+ songs in existence?

Re: Speech to Text on iPhone vs. Pixel

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Post by kartayyar »

The Pixels get a lot of hate from people who haven't used them though I think they are great phones and I'll never buy a Samsung phone again.

There are so many nice software touches on them that you just have to experience to appreciate.

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