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Re: Trump threatens to 'close' down social media platforms

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I mean, social media should be more regulated and laws should definitely be enacted to hold those companies more liable for the content that is published on their platforms. The problem is that I definitely do not want Trump deciding on how to do it.

Right now, social media is a pretty bad cesspool. No one takes the blame for allowing sociopaths to dominate those platforms.

Re: Trump threatens to 'close' down social media platforms

#542

There's an unsolved conundrum I haven't heard mentioned yet. After the 2016 election, there was a thought that too much false information is spreading on social media. This happens in every country and across every form of communication - but social media platforms seem particularly worrysome (and is particularly bad with Whatsapp forwards in some Asian countries). So what should the social media companies do? Censor…

Is this comment a joke? Are you a bot? You haven't heard these issues mentioned before? The proposed conundrum is a major fixture of the mainstream discourse.

Re: Trump threatens to 'close' down social media platforms

#543

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Sure, but such bullying is rather dangerous. Normally such threads come from people which are somewhat in the process or trying to de-mantel a democracy. So a US president saying something like that is quite worrying even if his intentions are not to undermine the US democracy.

That is exactly his intentions. He is an idiot for using Twitter in the first place. He should have been advocating for a decentralized Internet where his followers could live in a bubble catered to them.

Aren't the algorithms probably better at curating that bubble than people would be themselves though? If I started using Twitter and I followed Trump, a few people posting weird pro-Trump memes about him at the top of the comments on his tweets, and pro-Trump media, wouldn't the algorithm curate me a pretty nice bubble feed? Twitter always spam my feed with random things people I follow liked/replied to, surely they'd do the same for people with that sort of account too?

Re: Trump threatens to 'close' down social media platforms

#544

Hm, is fact checking solved problem? I remember someone here had their game flagged just because it referenced SARS-CoV-2. I hear almost daily horror stories of youtube algo's screwing up content creator. As a human, I still struggle a lot to read a paper and figure out what I just read. On top of that, things like the GPT2 from OpenAI might generate very human like comment. Is there no way to consider social media a…

> Ask some oracle what "fact" is and shun every other point of view? This statement concerns me, greatly. Its implication is that facts are merely point of view statements. That is just, well, it's just wrong. Facts are facts. The truth is the truth. They don't care what your beliefs are. If it is empirically true, then it is true. Why and when did it become okay to hand-wave and dismiss anything you didn't believe i…

The truth is out there but you don't know it, I don't know it, Trump doesn't know it and Biden doesn't know it. We will all have strong beliefs and they will be rooted in our different ideologies.

Re: Trump threatens to 'close' down social media platforms

#545

There's an unsolved conundrum I haven't heard mentioned yet. After the 2016 election, there was a thought that too much false information is spreading on social media. This happens in every country and across every form of communication - but social media platforms seem particularly worrysome (and is particularly bad with Whatsapp forwards in some Asian countries). So what should the social media companies do? Censor…

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Re: Trump threatens to 'close' down social media platforms

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post #528

There's an unsolved conundrum I haven't heard mentioned yet. After the 2016 election, there was a thought that too much false information is spreading on social media. This happens in every country and across every form of communication - but social media platforms seem particularly worrysome (and is particularly bad with Whatsapp forwards in some Asian countries). So what should the social media companies do? Censor…

It's as simple as toning down the virulance and addiction potential that has been baked into social media over the years. Revert to chronological feeds based on timestamp alone, and not sorting based on how many inflammatory comments and shares they have. Ban more pages that produce and share these misinformed posts. These are problems that these engagement algorithms themselves created, and social media companies ar…

> toning down the [...] addiction potential that has been baked into social media over the years

That hurts the bottom line so the social media companies won't do it unless they are forced to.

> Revert to chronological feeds based on timestamp alone

At the very least this should be an option (and not one that is automatically reset every time you view a page -- I'm looking at you facebook).

Re: Trump threatens to 'close' down social media platforms

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post #528

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's as simple as toning down the virulance and addiction potential that has been baked into social media over the years. Revert to chronological feeds based on timestamp alone, and not sorting based on how many inflammatory comments and shares they have. Ban more pages that produce and share these misinformed posts. These are problems that these engagement algorithms themselves created, and social media companies ar…

I don't think reverting to chrono content makes sense. If popularity doesn't influence what's top-of-feed, then we'll just be flooded with un-interesting content. Imagine if HN or Reddit didn't sort by popularity? Everyone would need to sort through /new. ...that's not scalable. What would be better would be to reward controversial content. If lots of people downvote something, and also lots of people upvote, then ma…

> Imagine if HN or Reddit didn't sort by popularity? Everyone would need to sort through /new. ...that's not scalable.

Reddit gives people the choice, so you can sort by new if you want to.

Choice is good, right?

Re: Trump threatens to 'close' down social media platforms

#548
If major platforms become regulated to legally ban censorship, this could actually be a good thing... These platforms could become more like public utilities.

Although it also sounds like it would be great for entrenched incumbents and cause barriers to entry.

Re: Trump threatens to 'close' down social media platforms

#549

I'm getting extremely tired of his Twitter tantrums. I suspect many feels the same way. I shan't shed not one tear if he get voted out in the November elections.

I'd be fed up if he wasn't the president of the USA. The fact that he is, and constantly spouts stuff like this, and gets away with it, is... terrifying.

Re: Trump threatens to 'close' down social media platforms

#550

It's pretty obvious that DT is not going to shut down the very platforms he relies on for his political survival. Even he's not that stupid. Nor does he have any real regulatory authority that could be employed that wouldn't also bite him back. So this is just him trying to bully the platforms into letting him say whatever without being exposed to any criticism or being called out for bullshit.

DT doesn't "rely on twitter for his political survival", any platform he goes to all his supporters would happily follow while gleefully trashing twitter on their way out the door.

> Nor does he have any real regulatory authority that could be employed that wouldn't also bite him back

I'm not convinced of that. Trump has repeatedly shown he is willing to exercise executive authority to the fullest extent possible and the courts have repeatedly affirmed his ability to do so. I'm not sure what kind of "bite back" you expect, but that kind of thing has never been an obstacle for Trump. At the end of the day I think you're right that he's bullying them, but I think it's wrong to believe that he won't actually go after them if they do not comply with his demands or at the very least retract the fact-check and praise him

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