> Twitter has now shown that everything we have been saying about them (and their other compatriots) is correct. Big action to follow!
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/12656495454107443...
$TWTR already down 5%.
Trump threatens to 'close' down social media platforms
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Re: Trump threatens to 'close' down social media platforms
#452It's pretty obvious that DT is not going to shut down the very platforms he relies on for his political survival. Even he's not that stupid. Nor does he have any real regulatory authority that could be employed that wouldn't also bite him back. So this is just him trying to bully the platforms into letting him say whatever without being exposed to any criticism or being called out for bullshit.
Sure, but such bullying is rather dangerous.
Normally such threads come from people which are somewhat in the process or trying to de-mantel a democracy. So a US president saying something like that is quite worrying even if his intentions are not to undermine the US democracy.
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#453Earlier quoted context omitted.
Whatsapp forwards is largely a solved problem. Now you can't forward whatsapp messages to more than 5 people at a go. And if you try doing 5 people at a time consecutively, your account is automatically deleted even before you reach 30 total forwards. Some people adopted a strategy of adding users to a group and dropping whatever message they have but that too is solved by allowing only known contacts to add you to g…
Your solution is to ban humans from talking to more than 5 others at once?
It is an interesting solution if nothing else. What about capping the number of users or followers to 100 or 1000 other people? That is closer to how humans interacted for the vast majority of history since the development of language. If you think about it, it's extremely unnatural for single people to have direct communication to millions of people. Information can still spread from social group to social group. I don't endorse the idea, but I would be interested to see how it might work and how information would spread and ideas change.
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#454Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Is there no way to consider social media as unreliable overall and not bother fact checking anything there? The issue is that this is not just a random social media post, it's coming from the President of the US, and most people expect that someone in that position will not post clearly false messages, specially when those messages affect something as fundamental as the election process.
Imagine if a U.S. president were to flagrantly make up a claim that some other country was developing weapons of mass destruction. Imagine that there was no way to verify this claim. Imagine that the president insisted on invading said country on the basis of the unsupported claim. Do most people still expect that someone in that position will not post clearly false messages, specially when those messages affect some…
Propaganda machine at work. Americans will always believe it is the best and most moral country in the world even if it the exact opposite.
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#455Earlier quoted context omitted.
> On the one hand I don’t think we should leave it up to companies like Twitter to censor things. Is it really _censorship_ to fact check tweets? I mean, Twitter hasn't _removed_ (i.e. censored) any tweets from Trump, just added an annotation.
Yes, of course it is. Most people will all of a sudden ignore someone's message. I have no idea why anyone would argue in favor of Twitter. When has it become required to be an expert in the field to be granted the privilege of leaving a comment on a forum? When has it become unacceptable to lie? People lie all the time. Advertisements lie to you, politicians lie to you, your mom lies to you. It's really annoying tha…
> Yes, of course it is. Most people will all of a sudden ignore someone's message.
Because Twitter adds an annotion to a statement? An annotation that leads to facts/more information?
Why?
> When has it become unacceptable to lie?
If a world leader does that, it needs to be addressed. Would you accept all the information that comes out of other countries, for example North Korea?
Re: Trump threatens to 'close' down social media platforms
#456Why not just kick him off for tos violation and be done with it. That would be an article worth reading...
I can imagine a lot of people would start boycotting Twitter after that. Fewer users and their activity means fewer ads displays means fewer $$$ for Twitter.
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#457Earlier quoted context omitted.
Its not real "conservative" views that get censored is it its entryist far right views. Its like in the UK when Corbyn's crank supporters claim ultra far left positions are main steam labour views when they are not.
Corbyn is ultra far left? The way he was getting slandered as some sort of neonazi, I assumed he was considered too rightwing or something. British politics can be confusing to outside observers..
There was a concerted effort to smear him from within his own party, it’s not surprising that you got that impression.
Edit: There is even a sister reply to this comment repeating the same nonsense, from a Google employee. Misinformation winning again.
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#458Earlier quoted context omitted.
> the president is constantly claiming things without any evidence backing up [to those voting down: these are convicted cases of voter fraud. If you are in favor of fact-checking these cases demonstrate the core question: who deserve this power?] Let's fact check these fact checkers. Here are some cases convicted in court of election fraud, a lot of them involve fraudulent use of absentee ballots https://www.whiteho…
"Although there is no evidence that the millions of missing ballots were used fraudulently, the Public Interest Legal Foundation, which compiled the public data provided from the Election Assistance Commission, says that the sheer volume of them raises serious doubts about election security." So... no evidence of fraudulent use. 28 million out of how many? "almost 1 in 5". so roughly 150 million ballots mailed out ov…
> So... no evidence of fraudulent use.
First link has plenty of people convicted of voter fraud using absentee ballots: https://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/whitehouse.gov/files/docs/p...
> 28 million out of how many? "almost 1 in 5". so roughly 150 million ballots mailed out over multiple years and elections, and The second link was there to provide data on what happens to absentee ballots along the chain of trust. As you said 1/5 is unaccounted for.
The third link is one court case of a mail man meddling with absentee ballots, and admitting to doing so. It shows the chain-of-trust of mail system is much weaker than what we expect with in-person voting.
Would you be happy if 1/5 of the people that showed up at the voting office was unaccounted for?
> It seems that when there's evidence found - as in, criminal investigations turn up fraud and people are charged and prosecuted - "there's evidence of fraud!".
Seems like you commented without inspecting all evidence or in bad faith when you ignore the evidence in the first link of convicted cases of absentee ballot fraud, then state this.
Re: Trump threatens to 'close' down social media platforms
#459Brilliant move by Trump's team forcing Twitter into this. He can now visibly blame another media outlet and continue building the narrative that the election results need to be challenged in case he lost. While also making sure voter turnout is high enough because his base thinks they need to "fight" this because it's deemed unfair.
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#460Hm, is fact checking solved problem? I remember someone here had their game flagged just because it referenced SARS-CoV-2. I hear almost daily horror stories of youtube algo's screwing up content creator. As a human, I still struggle a lot to read a paper and figure out what I just read. On top of that, things like the GPT2 from OpenAI might generate very human like comment. Is there no way to consider social media a…
It's certainly not a solved problem when the "Head of Site Integrity" has a history of anti-Trump tweets and called the President a Nazi. And that's just the head of the team. You can see the hard-left and pro-Antifa affiliations of the team outlined here: https://nickmonroe.blog/2019/11/28/dear-jack-twitter-is-poli...
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