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A third of Americans now show signs of clinical anxiety or depression

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Re: A third of Americans now show signs of clinical anxiety or depression

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Post by samsari »

read_if_gay_ wrote: post #51
entee wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nearly 100,000 people have died of COVID19 and there’s good evidence that this is a substantial undercount. All this in a context where we shut down transmission vectors (being indoors, with lots of people). Most estimates I’ve seen suggest we’ll hit 150k-200k deaths by end of year. 2017-2018 flu season killed about 80,000 with no mitigation efforts. Just on the face of it, this virus is far more than 2x deadlier tha…

> there’s good evidence that this is a substantial undercount. I don’t know about the US, but most European countries count anyone who died with corona as a covid death. No matter how clearly you died to something else.

While that may be true, most European countries still undercount the true death rates since there are large discrepancies between each country's official covid deaths and excess deaths.

Re: A third of Americans now show signs of clinical anxiety or depression

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Post by nickthemagicman »

DanBC wrote: post #32
marcell wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm confused by the downvotes on this. The comment is quoting CDC numbers, this is not some fake news report. The 0.4% mortality for coronavirus is the CDC best estimate. The 0.2% is from the CDC website for the 2017 flu season. Edit: The parent comment has apparently been flag removed. But it was claiming that the reaction to coronavirus (lockdown) is worse than the damage from the virus, and used the above comparis…

It's comparing 0.4% and 0.2% but not mentioning infectiousness (covid-19 appears more transmissible). 0.4% of a very large number will be considerably more people than 0.2% of a much smaller number. It says we do precisely nothing for flu and that's incorrect. We have internationally coordinated programmes of vaccine development and we have annual programmes to vaccinate as many vulnerable people and healthcare worke…

This is proving not to be an issue in Sweden or any of the places that have already opened up their economies.

Flattening the curve was a myth potentially.

Re: A third of Americans now show signs of clinical anxiety or depression

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Post by username90 »

exdsq wrote: post #87
username90 wrote: post #70

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Yes, but not catastrophic prevalence. The question was whether not locking down things like schools would result in much higher deaths than we currently see in for example England or New York. The answer is no, not necessarily.

In Sweden a lot of people were self-isolating and being cautious without the need of a formal lockdown. They still have the most deaths per capita in Europe.

Schools were open. A million kids went to crowded classrooms every day for the past two months and death rate is still not even close to England, Belgium, Italy or New York.

Re: A third of Americans now show signs of clinical anxiety or depression

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Post by nickthemagicman »

rebuilder wrote: post #21
marcell wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm confused by the downvotes on this. The comment is quoting CDC numbers, this is not some fake news report. The 0.4% mortality for coronavirus is the CDC best estimate. The 0.2% is from the CDC website for the 2017 flu season. Edit: The parent comment has apparently been flag removed. But it was claiming that the reaction to coronavirus (lockdown) is worse than the damage from the virus, and used the above comparis…

It seems pretty clear that the systemic effects of COVID-19 are much worse than those of seasonal flu. You don't see news of hospitals struggling to cope with seasonal flu the way we've seen now. You don't have Italian doctors triaging patients with the flu.

Don't actually see places struggling with this and coronavirus ... most of the overflow hospitals were empty.

In places that have largely opened their economies back up we're not seeing any overwhelming of hospitals.

We're also not seeing this in Sweden who never locked down.

Flatening the curve could have been a myth, an incorrect response. There's no evidence showing that it was effective compared to control groups like Sweden and regions with reopened economies.

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/0...

Re: A third of Americans now show signs of clinical anxiety or depression

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Post by orwin »

forgingahead wrote: post #84

Probably correlates very closely with the increase in hysterical media and news reporting.

Either you're overestimating how most people consume news media, or i'm underestimating it.

Unless you think the fact that journalists are more often depressed and/or anxious make their reporting more "hysterical". In this case you might be onto something.

Re: A third of Americans now show signs of clinical anxiety or depression

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Post by natrik »

samsari wrote: post #91
read_if_gay_ wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> there’s good evidence that this is a substantial undercount. I don’t know about the US, but most European countries count anyone who died with corona as a covid death. No matter how clearly you died to something else.

While that may be true, most European countries still undercount the true death rates since there are large discrepancies between each country's official covid deaths and excess deaths.

Playing devil's advocate, how are we sure excess deaths are due to covid and not the lockdowns instead? (Suicides, cancelled surgeries, etc.)

Re: A third of Americans now show signs of clinical anxiety or depression

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Post by boomboomsubban »

Though this is a troubling outcome, the questions asked seem a little vague for the times. Basically everyone will "feel down" or "feel nervous" given the risk facing them and their loved ones.

I feel nervous every time I go to the grocery store, but it would need to be causing problems in my life to be clinical anxiety.

Re: A third of Americans now show signs of clinical anxiety or depression

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Post by qqj »

Pfhreak wrote: post #12

I've dealt with depression and anxiety for many years. I just want to tell anyone who happens to read this: it's ok to ask for help, it's ok to go to therapy, it's ok to use antidepressants. Find the tools that work for you and keep asking for help when you need it. (Believe me, I know how hard it is.)

I would caution against using any sort of chemicals, try to exhaust all other options first. You don't want the sort of problem where you feel unlike your own self without some substance, not to mention that most of them basically reduce you to a zombie.

Sleepwalking through life isn't my idea of living.

Re: A third of Americans now show signs of clinical anxiety or depression

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Post by pinkfoot »

natrik wrote: post #96
samsari wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While that may be true, most European countries still undercount the true death rates since there are large discrepancies between each country's official covid deaths and excess deaths.

Playing devil's advocate, how are we sure excess deaths are due to covid and not the lockdowns instead? (Suicides, cancelled surgeries, etc.)

Ok, playing systems-engineer here: we'd call those secondary COVID-19 deaths caused by the either de facto or de jure lock-downs.

Why, oh why, are some people so obsessed with lowering the number of COVID-19 related deaths at every possible opportunity? Its weird.

Re: A third of Americans now show signs of clinical anxiety or depression

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Post by dgzl »

ck425 wrote: post #73
dgzl wrote: post #69

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I'm always ignored when I ask for help. Being a person who "takes it like a man" in a sense, as in absorbs these problems for greater overall execution, I'm always ignored when I bring up my problems. "Tough shit" is the general attitude. Unless I'm highly expressive or emotional nobody takes it seriously. But if I'm being that emotional it's already too late.

It's worth looking into make support groups. There's various movements starting up support groups for men run by men, who are trying to break that stigma. I don't know where you are based but have a Google and you may find a local one.

Funny enough, I looked at my local meetups and the biggest one is run by a woman. It's probably a good idea anyway.
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