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Re: A third of Americans now show signs of clinical anxiety or depression

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Post by samvher »

marcell wrote: post #13
ReticentVole wrote: post #8

The 'cure' of endless and pointless lockdowns is indeed proving worse than the disease, particularly when the CDC estimates overall mortality from the virus will be only 0.4%: https://www.wcnc.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/data-cd... For reference the seasonal flu is 0.2%, for which we do... precisely nothing.

I'm confused by the downvotes on this. The comment is quoting CDC numbers, this is not some fake news report. The 0.4% mortality for coronavirus is the CDC best estimate. The 0.2% is from the CDC website for the 2017 flu season. Edit: The parent comment has apparently been flag removed. But it was claiming that the reaction to coronavirus (lockdown) is worse than the damage from the virus, and used the above comparis…

I do think the CDC numbers seem strange - when I search for "flu IFR" and "coronavirus IFR" what I find for flu is 0.04-0.2% and for coronavirus it's more like 0.4-1%. So these CDC best estimates seem to make the comparison more favorable than the numbers found in other places. It seems like a factor 6 or so difference is realistic, which makes it quite a bit more serious than the flu.

One thing that worries me more about coronavirus than the flu is that it can cause lasting lung damage. I personally think that the higher mortality and the possibility of permanent damage in people who survive justify restrictions, but I guess that's a matter of opinion.

Re: A third of Americans now show signs of clinical anxiety or depression

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Post by DanBC »

marcell wrote: post #13
ReticentVole wrote: post #8

The 'cure' of endless and pointless lockdowns is indeed proving worse than the disease, particularly when the CDC estimates overall mortality from the virus will be only 0.4%: https://www.wcnc.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/data-cd... For reference the seasonal flu is 0.2%, for which we do... precisely nothing.

I'm confused by the downvotes on this. The comment is quoting CDC numbers, this is not some fake news report. The 0.4% mortality for coronavirus is the CDC best estimate. The 0.2% is from the CDC website for the 2017 flu season. Edit: The parent comment has apparently been flag removed. But it was claiming that the reaction to coronavirus (lockdown) is worse than the damage from the virus, and used the above comparis…

It's comparing 0.4% and 0.2% but not mentioning infectiousness (covid-19 appears more transmissible). 0.4% of a very large number will be considerably more people than 0.2% of a much smaller number.

It says we do precisely nothing for flu and that's incorrect. We have internationally coordinated programmes of vaccine development and we have annual programmes to vaccinate as many vulnerable people and healthcare workers as possible. We have programmes of flu monitoring and surveillance that tell us what strains of flu are circulating, who is being affected by it, and whether we need to create more surge capacity.

Notice that flu always puts pressure on healthcare systems -- hospitals get fuller, and they often try not to book as many elective surgeries during winter -- but they're not, even in bad flu seasons, overwhelmed. We don't have temporary morgues set up in container lorries in car parks. Funeral homes don't get overwhelmed.

Re: A third of Americans now show signs of clinical anxiety or depression

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Post by jobigoud »

tayo42 wrote: post #24
ithkuil wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow. I just checked the average age of motherhood in the USA and it's 26yo. That's 6 years less than in the country I'm living; perhaps my intuitions about what it's normal in a modern society are heavily skewed (and in my social circles it's even worse, with age if motherhood around 35yo, largely due to effects caused precarious work)

Quick google search says that not true its a bit higher for the us. Its also bimodal https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/08/04/upshot/up-bir... Edit: I actually think i confused my self with the age of first birth and age of parents, ignore that first line

The grand parent comment probably made the same mistake because there isn't any country where the mean mother age at first birth is 32 or 33, that is, 6 years more than US 26.3 or 26.9 (depending on sources).

Re: A third of Americans now show signs of clinical anxiety or depression

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Post by asdff »

Exmoor wrote: post #3

>“What’s worrying is the effect this situation is clearly having on young adults.” I wonder if this is a perverse side effect of normalcy bias [0]? For me, a person in middle age, I can look back at my life and see a lifetime of fairly stable history with only a few traumatic events (9/11, 2008 crash). If you're 22, the current circumstances make up a much larger portion of your life. >The toll has also hit the poor…

This is a stressful stage of life for a lot of people. The quarter life crisis is very real. Young people tend to have young kids, or roommates, or tiny apartments, and working from home is a larger strain, especially at the entry/junior level which is a stressful rat race in many fields. Plus you don't have much wealth built up if you do get laid off, and little experience on your resume to justify being rehired quickly.

Re: A third of Americans now show signs of clinical anxiety or depression

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Post by marcell »

entee wrote: post #29
marcell wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm confused by the downvotes on this. The comment is quoting CDC numbers, this is not some fake news report. The 0.4% mortality for coronavirus is the CDC best estimate. The 0.2% is from the CDC website for the 2017 flu season. Edit: The parent comment has apparently been flag removed. But it was claiming that the reaction to coronavirus (lockdown) is worse than the damage from the virus, and used the above comparis…

Nearly 100,000 people have died of COVID19 and there’s good evidence that this is a substantial undercount. All this in a context where we shut down transmission vectors (being indoors, with lots of people). Most estimates I’ve seen suggest we’ll hit 150k-200k deaths by end of year. 2017-2018 flu season killed about 80,000 with no mitigation efforts. Just on the face of it, this virus is far more than 2x deadlier tha…

Sure, but 2x deadlier than the flu just means 2 flu seasons. It's not great, but we don't do half-lockdowns fur 1 flu season. Why do a full lockdown for the equivalent of two flu seasons?

Re: A third of Americans now show signs of clinical anxiety or depression

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Post by fermienrico »

logicslave wrote: post #6

I'm telling you, the elite of this country in the 90s and the early 2000s sold this whole country up the creek. Both sides of the political spectrum pushed ultra capitalist policies and broke the common fabric of America. All meaningful blue collar work was outsourced, large swaths of intelligent highly competitive workers insourced from other countries, artificial boosting of financial assets, etc. The old America i…

Not just America, but all nations have decided that let's gut out the local manufacturing of goods, allow complete exploitation of labor in one country and then reap the benefits. Now there is only one place that knows how to make stuff. Executives benefited tremendously at the expense of their homeplace. This way the entire fabric of the country tears apart and gets so tangled that voices of reason, science, truth and liberty gets drowned and no one knows what to believe anymore. The state of democracy is in danger. From top-bottom to left-right, the entire nation is dividing and these troughs will not be easily coalesced. Don't worry, services are starting to go to this centralized authoritarian regime too, not just physical goods.

Re: A third of Americans now show signs of clinical anxiety or depression

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Post by spicyramen »

Pfhreak wrote: post #12

I've dealt with depression and anxiety for many years. I just want to tell anyone who happens to read this: it's ok to ask for help, it's ok to go to therapy, it's ok to use antidepressants. Find the tools that work for you and keep asking for help when you need it. (Believe me, I know how hard it is.)

Isn't antidepressants in America one of the reasons of the opioid crisis...?

Re: A third of Americans now show signs of clinical anxiety or depression

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Post by nunodonato »

thebladerunner wrote: post #30
nunodonato wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

fortunately, more and more scientists and doctors are stepping up and being public about why all of this lockdown and social distancing thing is not only useless, but harmful. Unfortunately, not only they don't get much air time in mass media, as they end up being censored by YouTube. Makes you wonder why...

Links?

This was the most recent one: Dr Dolores J. Cahill PhD Immunology and molecular biologist - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9ti6isM-NY

I'll hop by later a drop some more if you want

Re: A third of Americans now show signs of clinical anxiety or depression

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Post by thebladerunner »

samvher wrote: post #31
marcell wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm confused by the downvotes on this. The comment is quoting CDC numbers, this is not some fake news report. The 0.4% mortality for coronavirus is the CDC best estimate. The 0.2% is from the CDC website for the 2017 flu season. Edit: The parent comment has apparently been flag removed. But it was claiming that the reaction to coronavirus (lockdown) is worse than the damage from the virus, and used the above comparis…

I do think the CDC numbers seem strange - when I search for "flu IFR" and "coronavirus IFR" what I find for flu is 0.04-0.2% and for coronavirus it's more like 0.4-1%. So these CDC best estimates seem to make the comparison more favorable than the numbers found in other places. It seems like a factor 6 or so difference is realistic, which makes it quite a bit more serious than the flu. One thing that worries me more…

To add to the confusion, the CDC website is calling this number CFR (not IFR), which doesn't make sense to me at all.

Re: A third of Americans now show signs of clinical anxiety or depression

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Post by username90 »

samvher wrote: post #31
marcell wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm confused by the downvotes on this. The comment is quoting CDC numbers, this is not some fake news report. The 0.4% mortality for coronavirus is the CDC best estimate. The 0.2% is from the CDC website for the 2017 flu season. Edit: The parent comment has apparently been flag removed. But it was claiming that the reaction to coronavirus (lockdown) is worse than the damage from the virus, and used the above comparis…

I do think the CDC numbers seem strange - when I search for "flu IFR" and "coronavirus IFR" what I find for flu is 0.04-0.2% and for coronavirus it's more like 0.4-1%. So these CDC best estimates seem to make the comparison more favorable than the numbers found in other places. It seems like a factor 6 or so difference is realistic, which makes it quite a bit more serious than the flu. One thing that worries me more…

> One thing that worries me more about coronavirus than the flu is that it can cause lasting lung damage.

Flu can also cause lasting lung damage. All diseases inducing pneumonia can do that. I have seen no evidence that these things are more prevalent in corona than in influenza. The reason we see so many articles about the rare effects in corona and not the flu is that corona is a hot topic and news is drumming up scare stories about it for clicks.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30209189/

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