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Stop Watching the News (2019)

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Re: Stop Watching the News (2019)

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post #106

Almost all news is a race to the bottom and full of dark patterns. I'm quite surprised to see how many people here are defending the news. I see people who seem to have extreme anxiety caused by the news. Constantly refreshing NYTimes or Twitter. Its not healthy. Read slow news. The article mentions local news which I agree with wholeheartedly. The Economist comes out once a month. There's balanced coverage and no cl…

The economist comes out weekly.

Re: Stop Watching the News (2019)

#112
post #35

> When was the last time you watched the news and thought, “thank God I saw that. Let me go take action.”? > I’ll answer for you: probably never. The article is dated "July 29" so I'll assume 2019. We have a pretty huge counterexample right now: the pandemic has led to a lot of critical information needing to be conveyed to everyone very rapidly. For example, people need to be aware that they cannot leave home, or th…

All the info we needed could have fit inside just a few paragraphs, updated each week.

Re: Stop Watching the News (2019)

#113

> If that’s the case, what’re you actually getting from the news? Aggravated? Wound up? Certainly not informed about anything important. This seems like the author is explicitly arguing for the tragedy of the commons. Yes, any one individual getting 'wound up' doesn't accomplish much, but the public 'at large' getting wound up can and does effect real change sometimes. Like, it's very easy to point to a variety of to…

There are many similar cases where the outrage was wrong , the facts of the case weren't as originally reported, and the resulting outrage couldn't be rolled back or productively channeled. My heart breaks at the idea of a guy being murdered with no consequences, but that can't mean that we embrace anything and everything which delivers those consequences.

Civic responsibility is not “anything and everything,” nor was it invented yesterday. Glancing over the day’s headlines and top stories every once in a while, having some idea of what’s going on, and factoring in that information at the voting booth is not an unreasonable expectation for a citizen in a democracy.

The 24 hour cable news cycle is toxic, yes, but there are still daily papers and even less frequent periodicals with generally calmer perspectives.

Re: Stop Watching the News (2019)

#114
I've come to the same conclusions myself many years ago. I've watched the news and been told that some person has gone missing or been murdered. Why do I need to know this? The only people who need to know this information are those who knew that person, and the police, of course.

Re: Stop Watching the News (2019)

#115

> If that’s the case, what’re you actually getting from the news? Aggravated? Wound up? Certainly not informed about anything important. This seems like the author is explicitly arguing for the tragedy of the commons. Yes, any one individual getting 'wound up' doesn't accomplish much, but the public 'at large' getting wound up can and does effect real change sometimes. Like, it's very easy to point to a variety of to…

But if you actually watch the news you'll see that most of what is reported won't get better with any amount of being "wound up". Natural disasters, crime, accidents etc. There is no sense at all in learning about such things.

Re: Stop Watching the News (2019)

#116
post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This guy must be loads of fun at dinner parties ;) There's nothing wrong with saying "I have no interest in participating in the outrage circus with you". The whole point is that that cycle is not fun, dinner party or not.

Adding "...and I don't really care to" could easily come across as smug and even condescending, though it depends on the tone in which it's delivered.

That's a fair point about tone. In my mind it's the difference, when being asked "Would you like a beer", between answering "No thanks", and "No thanks, I don't drink". One says simply no, the other says no, that's something I specifically abstain from. I suppose that could be seen as smug, and the difference would largely be in tone, as you say.

Re: Stop Watching the News (2019)

#117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That seems to be true. But partly so because there don't seem to be any hits for "far right" in their coverage of US politics. Good for them. I doubt this would be true for NYT, WaPo, etc., but I am indeed too lazy to look. For those too young to remember what reasonable journalism used to look like, Reuters and AP are probably the closest, in the MSM.

> That seems to be true. But partly so because there don't seem to be any hits for "far right" in their coverage of US politics. Good for them. How is that a good thing? "Far right" and "far left" are both perfectly fine terms to describe certain political ideologies and movements.

In 2020, "far right" has become a cheap epithet frequently applied to half of the country. (cf "deplorables") As such, it really has no application by a neutral news source anymore.

Or, to put it another way, if half of the electorate holds fairly similar views, they cannot reasonably be described as "far right" (or "far left", for that matter). The "far" end would be maybe one percent, not fifty.

In any case, I appreciate journalists that simply describe the situation, and allow me to decide for myself what I think about it. Hard to remember now, but that's how it actually used to be.

Re: Stop Watching the News (2019)

#118
I don't think OP is saying to literally cut off all information from the outside world -- that we should be info-hermits, unaware of who is running for president, unaware of which states are shutting down, whatever.

He's saying that people's very-common argument that "it's important to know everything happening in the world" is bunk, and voracious consumption of news is not useful and is harmful. You can get 99% of utility from news with just a few objective headlines and summaries, once a week tops.

Re: Stop Watching the News (2019)

#119
post #32

I'm not sure. Is this talking about TV news? If so, I might agree. TV oversimplifies and goes for the sensational and emotional. Plus, they have hours and hours to fill even if there's no content. These days TV news is almost completely a time waster. But other kinds of news? Disagreed. Especially world and national news. Those are the most interesting. If you keep yourself focused on community news -- which are both…

> Those are the most interesting. If you keep yourself focused on community news -- which are both relevant and at the same time the most inane -- you stay parochial, which is ok if you don't mind it, but I do. I find the world and world news interesting and relevant. My immediate community is not that interesting. As someone who deals with anxiety, I don't find world news interesting and relevant. I find it panic an…

That's ok. What you say makes sense. Note I did mention "actionable" doesn't factor into what I consider interesting. I find the world interesting, I guess.

What I find annoying are blanket statements like "don't follow the news". Says who? Who is this guy to tell me what is reasonable to consider interesting, and whether following world news is something I do "to worry"?

Re: Stop Watching the News (2019)

#120
post #31

It seems like a weird time to post this article to HN. Aren't we all living through an extremely good example of why paying attention to the news pays off? Generally speaking, people I know who read the news prepared for SARS-CoV-2 by mid-February, and those who were disconnected from the news were caught off guard a month later when everything shut down. One thing I will happily grant is that _watching_ the news is…

The news said it wasn’t a big deal until March. And if you need the news to tell you about a pandemic maybe it really isn’t one.
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