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Stop Watching the News (2019)

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Re: Stop Watching the News (2019)

#41
"> When was the last time you watched the news and thought, “thank God I saw that. Let me go take action.”?

I’ll answer for you: probably never."

This is what happens to a depoliticized population. When Trump announced the strike on the Iranian General, we were out on the streets within a few days to protest the possibility of a new war. Not taking action is a symptom of helplessness, apathy, or simply being overwhelmed by life. Alternatively, it can be because you passively support what is happening. You can combat the former ills by being part of a political organization that cares about these issues.

That said, I would recommend against TV. There's something about TV that just switches off the mind. The worst journalism is on TV, though it can be useful for monitoring live ongoing events.

Re: Stop Watching the News (2019)

#42

> If that’s the case, what’re you actually getting from the news? Aggravated? Wound up? Certainly not informed about anything important. This seems like the author is explicitly arguing for the tragedy of the commons. Yes, any one individual getting 'wound up' doesn't accomplish much, but the public 'at large' getting wound up can and does effect real change sometimes. Like, it's very easy to point to a variety of to…

Completely agree. Sacrificing engagement with the social structures and historical progression that we as a species depend on is not an option that can deliver a healthy society. No, “the news”, as in the propaganda emanating from the corporate hegemony machine, does not count. But, checking out entirely is nonetheless the worst thing one can do.

Exactly. An argument about better vs worse news sources I could totally understand. Checking out when it's anything that's not explicitly a local issue? That's...not great.

Not to mention, some of his reasoning conflicts with itself. Behold:

> When was the last time you watched the news and thought, “thank God I saw that. Let me go take action.”?

> I’ll answer for you: probably never.

> ...

> But it's different from hearing about the tsunami destroying a village thousands of miles away.

Surely the author is aware that people commonly do, in fact, take action and donate money when tragedies -- such as tsunamis -- take place very far away. In some cases, the foreign donations add up to quite a lot! So I'm not sure how he reconciles this in his head, both in the sense of the way he's describing things is factually incorrect, and also that the implication here is that you'd get less people helping with tragedies simply because they occurred somewhere foreign.

Re: Stop Watching the News (2019)

#43

A democracy only works if people know what's going on. Otherwise, the collective decision-making process is no longer connected to politician's actions and the whole process breaks down. That's the most basic theory of any regulated system: air conditioning needs a thermometer. A driver needs to keep their eyes open to stay on the road. Any such system is a feedback loop of actuators (wheels / politicians), sensors,…

On a large scale, perhaps so. But in terms of what I individually can accomplish, the answer is "nothing". The chances that my vote, my petition, my call to a politician, my letter to a newspaper, my post on social media, will affect the world in any way are infinitesimally small. Weighed against near certain negative mental health effects, it makes a lot of sense to just check out. Or at least to stop spending more than a few minutes per month on it.

If you really want to make a difference, spend five more minutes each day with your kid. Or checking in with someone in your life that's going through hard times.

Re: Stop Watching the News (2019)

#44
post #9

"It’s perfectly fine to say, “I don’t know enough about it, and I really don’t care to.”" This guy must be loads of fun at dinner parties ;)... i'd say stopping at "i don't know enough about it." would be the perfectly fine thing to say.

> This guy must be loads of fun at dinner parties ;)

There's nothing wrong with saying "I have no interest in participating in the outrage circus with you". The whole point is that that cycle is not fun, dinner party or not.

Re: Stop Watching the News (2019)

#45

> If that’s the case, what’re you actually getting from the news? Aggravated? Wound up? Certainly not informed about anything important. This seems like the author is explicitly arguing for the tragedy of the commons. Yes, any one individual getting 'wound up' doesn't accomplish much, but the public 'at large' getting wound up can and does effect real change sometimes. Like, it's very easy to point to a variety of to…

> This seems like the author is explicitly arguing for the tragedy of the commons. Yes, any one individual getting 'wound up' doesn't accomplish much, but the public 'at large' getting wound up can and does effect real change sometimes.

There's an easy compromise: it's likely that some people are better off not watching the news. This group might be more sensitive to disruptive news and opinion pieces. It'd do them good to stay away from news.

This is similar to certain food allergies. Peanuts are good stuff, but some people have negative reactions to it. They are better off without peanuts.

Similarly, if your response to news is highly psychologically disruptive, you'd do well to stay away from it. It doesn't have to mean that you are shirking your responsibilities as a citizen. Rather than exhaust yourself by responding to local and temporal events, you could conserve your energies for longer-term projects that help the society at a fundamental level.

Re: Stop Watching the News (2019)

#47

> If that’s the case, what’re you actually getting from the news? Aggravated? Wound up? Certainly not informed about anything important. This seems like the author is explicitly arguing for the tragedy of the commons. Yes, any one individual getting 'wound up' doesn't accomplish much, but the public 'at large' getting wound up can and does effect real change sometimes. Like, it's very easy to point to a variety of to…

There are many similar cases where the outrage was wrong , the facts of the case weren't as originally reported, and the resulting outrage couldn't be rolled back or productively channeled. My heart breaks at the idea of a guy being murdered with no consequences, but that can't mean that we embrace anything and everything which delivers those consequences.

Yes, but what's the ratio where harm was done there, vs where the public outrage was entirely reasonable and good?

Public outrage is one check on societal institutions. The police are a check on general lawlessness and disorder, and the fact that sometimes they kill someone they really shouldn't have doesn't make us think, "well just get rid of the police then altogether I suppose". Why would we get rid of public outrage, just because sometimes it's wrong?

Public outrage is what makes journalism function as the fourth estate, after all. Investigative journalism of national-level issues in particular: what would the point of all of it be, if nobody read or cared? Thus, the author's argument is also an argument for investigate journalism of any non-'local' issue to cease to exist. Does this sound like a good idea?

Re: Stop Watching the News (2019)

#48
I think I'm sympathetic to much of this post and many of the comments here in how much the news that is consumed and the manner it is consumed is ultimately amounts to nothing more than mindless consumption and / or overblown anger.

If you just define news as "whatever has caught everyone's attention on the national or global stage", I still think there is value to be derived in staying at least somewhat upto I still think there is value in being relatively up to date.

My biggest reason would simply be whether you like it or not, Americans live in a democracy (for the most part) that is dominated mostly by nation-wide politics, so if you're going to be an informed citizen trying to keep politicians accountable (whatever that may mean to you) on whatever issues have their attention. I don't necessarily like this, but I think this is a necessary evil to a degree.

On a more personal note, I still find value in consuming some news because it provides me perspectives of how other people live. Part of that is simply giving me more context to my role in the surrounding world. Another part of it is simply making me aware of a injustices and other tragedies people face that I otherwise never know about. I feel like the news simply helps keep me grounded to the world beyond my immediate vicinity and relative comfortable lifestyle.

While I can not do much to fix many of these massive problems I can still do something; donate money, organize a goods drive, or even continue the chain and keep spreading awareness to someone else.

Re: Stop Watching the News (2019)

#49
I watch news because I want to know what's going on in my country and globally right now, biographies will not give me that knowledge. You don't need to stop watching the news, you just should detach your feelings from the facts and watch news from different sources. I watch liberal news in my country (equivalent to CNN in US) and conservative news (eq Fox in US I suppose) and I make my own conclusions on how to interpret what I see based on two different views. There is no such thing as unbiased news, everyone have his own views about world and will shape information in such a way to not experience cognitive dissonance.
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