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Can 1/3 and 1/3 = 2/6? It seemed so

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Re: Can 1/3 and 1/3 = 2/6? It seemed so

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I guess you'd have to come up with a way to explain that adding numbers (which is what you're doing with 1/3 + 1/3) is not the same as combining/averaging fractions, i.e. when you're totaling subgroups into a larger group. It's almost like we need a different "combining" operator for the latter that means to add both the numerator and denominator, because + isn't right for this. Now that I think about it, I'm surpris…

> I'm surprised there is no such operator for averaging. You can't have an operator for combining portions of groups with fractions alone, because 1/3 = 2/6. Combining groups of B boys and N people total, you get B1+B2 boys and N1+N2 people. Let's use @ for that operator, just to not distract from the usual addition. a/b @ c/d = (a+c)/(b+d). Let's combine a group of 1/3 boys with a group of 2/3 boys. 1/3 @ 2/3 = 3/6.…

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Re: Can 1/3 and 1/3 = 2/6? It seemed so

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One of the commenters gave a great suggestion:

> I would use bar models to show how the whole changes. First, draw one bar (table) with 3 students inside; label the bar one whole, star one student and label that student as one third of that whole. Do the same thing beside the first bar model, again showing the bar as one whole, starring one student and labelling that student as one third. Then, push the two bar models together (I’d use a Smart Board) to show a new whole: the two bars together with 6 students in the one bar is labeled as the new whole. Point out that this is a NEW whole, with a different # of pieces. Now they would see the 2 starred students in the one new bar made up of 6 total students, so the “old” 1/3 student becomes the “new” 1/6 student once the whole changes. This is like a name change, once the size of the whole changes. You can also show them that by cutting each “student” in half, you would get an equivalent fraction of 1/3 = 2/6 of the first one whole bar. So 1/3 = 2/6, not two 1/3’s = 2/6.

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Re: Can 1/3 and 1/3 = 2/6? It seemed so

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> x^{-1} means \frac{1}{x}, but f^{-1}(x) doesn't mean \frac{1}{f(x)}. That notation for inverse functions is truly appalling. I don't know how the first mathematician to think of that didn't immediately discard it as nonsensical and misleading.

It's not because 'function powers' make sense, yhey are just iterated function application. That's how they work for the natural numbers and when you extend that to the integers, you immediately get f^-1 for the inverse. Notation in higher level maths is almost always very ambiguous. Because many concepts are analogues of each other and to reflect that notation is just taken from the analogue. Within a single domain,…

The idea that "when you extend that" is something human beings can do is an absolute revelation to young mathematicians. The idea that our notations are, at least in some sense, choices that we make that come with tradeoffs is a huge point of mathematical maturity for them, and usually causes my students to look back with either deep awe or deep suspicion when they realize that even our choice of base 10 is a choice among many and we can make other choices.

As von Neumann said, very much something to get used to.

Re: Can 1/3 and 1/3 = 2/6? It seemed so

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You're right, but the tricky part is, how do you explain that to children who are just being introduced to the concept of adding fractions, without leading them off track? That's hard! > The confusion comes because no one calls out that they're talking about fractions of different things. But she did: "When thinking about fractions, it’s important to keep your attention on what the whole is. [...] you’re thinking abo…

This. What the student said was 'wrong' and they need to look at the whole. This "1/3 + 1/3 = 2/6" problem would be a great example to use for a lesson on units though.

What they said wasn't wrong. Their mental model was absolutely correct.

"One third of this and one third of that is two-sixths of everything" is absolutely right. Telling them "No, you're wrong" is counter-productive. "You have to look at the whole" isn't a helpful statement because, in this case, there are THREE 'wholes.'

Their written representation of the mental model was incorrect because their instruction was focused only on abstract numbers instead of concrete labels. If those fractions (or ratios or whatever) are labeled properly the equation is completely correct.

Re: Can 1/3 and 1/3 = 2/6? It seemed so

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I think this is a perfect example of why people find math hard. Not because there's something inherently difficult, but because we have teachers like this one in charge of open and curious minds at a young age. You get a teacher who doesn't quite understand what it is she's trying to teach, and this confusion is multiplied over and over again for each batch of students that pass through. Not too long afterwards you get kids who think they don't understand math, when in fact it was a failing of the teachers who couldn't correctly explain it in the first place.

Re: Can 1/3 and 1/3 = 2/6? It seemed so

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The difficulty isn't with fractions. It's about understanding what "+" means.

Words have multiple meanings/senses. Addison knows the word "plus" already and knows it can mean summing up numbers ("2 plus 2 is 4") or it can mean combining things in other ways ("tonight, we'll eat pizza plus see a movie").

His teacher has introduced "+", and pronounced it "plus", so it's reasonable for him to apply what he knows about the word "plus" to the symbol. People even use "+" (rather than "plus") to mean combining things. Maybe Addison saw "Nature's Path Pumpkin Seed + Flax Granola" at the grocery store. So why shouldn't he try using it that way?

Somebody needs to communicate to Addison that, in math class, "+" always means something specific. He doesn't know that yet, but he has been asked to use the symbol anyway.

Math uses a whole lot of lingo. If it's not covered well enough, stumbling over the terminology can be an impediment to learning. This includes both new words ("quotient", "integer") and words that are used in everyday language but differently in math ("where" meaning condition or definition instead of place, "of" meaning multiplication, "real" numbers).

Re: Can 1/3 and 1/3 = 2/6? It seemed so

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The units are missing, and I think that's a key factor here. Both of the equations up on the board at the end are correct because they are counting different things. This is a huge miss if you use a numeric only approach to fractions. The student came up and wrote 1/3 + 1/3 = 2/6. What they meant by that is 1/3 (of the students at a table) + 1/3 (of the students at a different table) = 2/6 (of the students at those t…

One of the article's comments:

"Janelle Schorg says:

"This is why students are confused and have misconceptions about ratios in middle school. When we teach fractions it is part(s) of a whole (Water bottles and pencils context) and when we teach ratios they are sets (boys and girls). It is actually okay to add ratios (as fractions) by combining the numerators and denominators, no common denominators needed. In my opinion, ratios should not be written like fractions until later after students have conceptual understanding and fractions should never be taught with sets in the 3-5 work. Many teachers are not even aware of this difference and misconception we are creating in student understanding."

Re: Can 1/3 and 1/3 = 2/6? It seemed so

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Something I missed the first time around—in the comments below the article, the teacher expands on what she actually did. This was originally one long paragraph, but I've added paragraph breaks for readability:

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> At the time, I let it go so I could think and regroup myself. There was more than fractions to think about: Is it possible for both equations to be true: 1/3 + 1/3 = 2/6 and 1/6 + 1/6 = 2/6. This was a long discussion that kept their interest, in which I learned that many (most?) of the students didn’t think of fractions as numbers. That was another hurdle. I kept going back to what we know about adding whole numbers.

> Then I took another approach, once I was sure that they understood that 1/3 and 2/6 are equivalent, so how can I add a number to itself and wind up with a sum that’s the same as one of them? In all of these discussions, students would change their thinking. We looked at adding on a number line. I used pattern blocks to explore the same problem. I kept talking about keeping our attention on what was 1 whole.

> My, this all takes time, and the time is important for students to develop, cement, and extend their understanding. What I didn’t do, that I’ve been thinking about now, is to make it part of a writing workshop on persuasive writing and have them choose a conjecture and write. I think I could spend most of the year on this with students.

Re: Can 1/3 and 1/3 = 2/6? It seemed so

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This. What the student said was 'wrong' and they need to look at the whole. This "1/3 + 1/3 = 2/6" problem would be a great example to use for a lesson on units though.

What they said wasn't wrong. Their mental model was absolutely correct. "One third of this and one third of that is two-sixths of everything" is absolutely right. Telling them "No, you're wrong" is counter-productive. "You have to look at the whole" isn't a helpful statement because, in this case, there are THREE 'wholes.' Their written representation of the mental model was incorrect because their instruction was fo…

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Re: Can 1/3 and 1/3 = 2/6? It seemed so

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> Those rules say that you cannot add fractions like "1/3 + 1/3 = 2/6", not because of any intuitive reason, but because it's disallowed by the 'rules' of fraction addition - that's it. That is absolutely incorrect. There is an intuitive reason why 1/3 + 1/3 != 2/6. That reason is that 1/3 + 1/3 = 2/3, and 2/3 != 2/6. The important thing here is to help students build the intuition that mathematical notation shouldn'…

My only point is that analogies are flawed. The abstraction that they provide hides complexity that at some point will leak out. >There is an intuitive reason why 1/3 + 1/3 != 2/6. You and I have different ideas of what 'intuitive' means. It's 'intuitive' once you understand the rules of fractions and what they mean. It's not so easy to derive this rule if you're working in the space of real world things. And sure, I…

I still don't agree. Sure, there are limits to particular intuitions, but all of the rules make perfect sense with real world quantities.

For example, 1/3 of an orange + 1/3 of an orange is actually 2/3 of an orange, not 2/6 of one. And 1/3 of 1 kg of flour is exactly 2/6 or 300/900 of that kg of flour. Sure, it's hard to talk about 1 Graham's number / 3 graham's number of 1kg of flour, so it does break down at some point, but unless you go overboard with quantities, all of the rules for fractions are in fact intuitive, and important for day to day things like cooking and money management. In fact, fractions and their operations are probably older than the idea of abstract rules, because they are fundamentally useful things.

The child in this example wasn't even making the mistake of thinking the rule for + is the rule for your @ operation. They were confused because they were trying to apply the intuition they had built up for how to translate real-world problems into fractions in the wrong way. Their result was in fact physically true: it was true that 1/3 of the children at one table + 1/3 of the children at the other table was equal to 2/6 of the children at both tables. This was confusing them because it suggested a different way of manipulating the numbers than they had just been shown.

The right solution, again, was to teach them how to translate 'a fraction of something' to rational numbers - that is, to multiply the fraction by the something, with only a special notational case when that something is 1. If they had known to do this, their intuition would have translated directly into the correct algebraic formula. No need to learn the abstract rules yet.

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