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Swiss companies must pay share of rent for employees working from home

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Re: Swiss companies must pay share of rent for employees working from home

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Thought: - Companies that now realised that remote schemes works for them, will push for that scheme to remain, with the aim of reducing their fixed costs (office rent, utilities, insurance, etc). - This eliminates a big chunk of fixed costs... as most are shifted to the employees. - If authorities/employees start demanding that part of those costs are covered by the company, companies will push to get avoid work-fro…

Your making this a bigger deal then it is. As a company you have quite good control and knowledge over that cost. If I want a new desk and have the company pay for it, I can just come with a 10k bill. The company can lay out a bunch of avg prices for certain things and that's that. It not like everybody has some unique equipment. I basically need a chair, a desk, a laptop and maybe a monitor. Those cost are easy cont…

And an extra 30 square feet of apartment space?

Re: Swiss companies must pay share of rent for employees working from home

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Thought: - Companies that now realised that remote schemes works for them, will push for that scheme to remain, with the aim of reducing their fixed costs (office rent, utilities, insurance, etc). - This eliminates a big chunk of fixed costs... as most are shifted to the employees. - If authorities/employees start demanding that part of those costs are covered by the company, companies will push to get avoid work-fro…

It already reduces the cost to employees by removing the transportation cost. They should encourage it because it benefits all those involved including the environment. I don't know why they would make it more difficult.

Really? My employer pays half my transportation cost, which is required by law (at least where I live). Actually, they continue to pay and let me come by bike (which they approve) so I earn money evert month just by going to the office. Oh, now that I'm WFH due to Covid, they just pay me for going from the bed room to the living room.

Re: Swiss companies must pay share of rent for employees working from home

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Thought: - Companies that now realised that remote schemes works for them, will push for that scheme to remain, with the aim of reducing their fixed costs (office rent, utilities, insurance, etc). - This eliminates a big chunk of fixed costs... as most are shifted to the employees. - If authorities/employees start demanding that part of those costs are covered by the company, companies will push to get avoid work-fro…

It already reduces the cost to employees by removing the transportation cost. They should encourage it because it benefits all those involved including the environment. I don't know why they would make it more difficult.

> It already reduces the cost to employees by removing the transportation cost.

My transportation costs were already being reimbursed. Now that I need no transportation any more, they can give me that money as rent support.

Re: Swiss companies must pay share of rent for employees working from home

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Your making this a bigger deal then it is. As a company you have quite good control and knowledge over that cost. If I want a new desk and have the company pay for it, I can just come with a 10k bill. The company can lay out a bunch of avg prices for certain things and that's that. It not like everybody has some unique equipment. I basically need a chair, a desk, a laptop and maybe a monitor. Those cost are easy cont…

And an extra 30 square feet of apartment space?

Its like with all expenses, set an upper limit and require documentation. Or make it fixed bonus for everybody.

Re: Swiss companies must pay share of rent for employees working from home

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> My ethical compass would feel it's wrong to squeeze additional benefits from an arrangement I have seen others thinking like that, and then become very sore when they are fired in an economic downturn. They feel that "it is not fair" because they did as much as they could for their company, the company did not care. Is that different in Switzerland? Has it a similar culture to Japan where firing an employee is the…

> I have seen others thinking like that, and then become very sore when they are fired in an economic downturn. I see where you're coming from and to answer one of your later question: I work in one of the most dog eat dog industries, which is finance. That said, I don't see myself as a charitable extension of my employer. I'm well paid and fairly treated and as long this is the case my employer can expect me to deli…

> Anyway, loyalty in the sense that as long we're in a contractual relationship my employer can expect me to do good work, professionalism, confidentiality (a huge thing in finance), that I don't fib expense claims and that I don't steal the office supplies, among some examples.

I completely agree with that points. It is a matter of principle to behave professionally, not just for the company but for my own self esteem.

But, some experiences make me think twice before renounce to my rights. Many years ago, I was in a company that used to force employees to work on weekends. I had enough negotiation power to reject working on weekends. For me, it was not a problem. Weekend work was paid and I had no other responsibilities. But, my and other "top" colleagues rejection helped others to have the possibility to stand for their own rights.

I guess that I see the situation tinted by that perspective. If I renounce to a right, to say not to work on weekends, I may damage others that may end losing their right unwillingly. Some time later, I left the company for something better, thou. In my twenty five years of working for all kinds of companies, I have seen many different situations.

Japan and vacation days is a more general example. Even if employees have right to vacation days, it is difficult to take them when nobody else is doing so. As each employee renounces to their right to take vacations, they force the rest to do the same as it becomes a social stigma. To the extend, that for me, to renounce to your own vacation days becomes damaging to everybody else even done in good faith.

> Maybe it's just me, but I believe in transactional fairness. As long I feel well treated I just don't see the point of trying to squeeze every last inch of advantage from my vis-a-vis.

So, maybe you have been lucky enough, or smart enough to not work for companies that have abused their position. I guess that I would be of your same opinion if I had the same experience. By default, I agree that employers and employees need to collaborate to maximize the benefits of the partnership.

> Maybe one of the best examples I can give you is Amazon. Or the fact that I never bought anything since their book dealing days, when they suddenly pulled their privacy bait and switch. I wouldn't give them my business, even if it's cheaper. As it turns out that's not such a bad attitude to have.

I completely relate to your actions. And, to avoid rewarding the wrong behavior is important and a good value to live for.

Re: Swiss companies must pay share of rent for employees working from home

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What cost? If anything the employee now saves time and money from the commute alone.

Creating an office at home? For a lot of people, making your home a viable working space is very expensive. It may even require the worker to purchase a home or apartment with an extra room.

If you're creating a real dedicated space then that can be justified. If it's to the point where you have to buy a new house/apartment with an extra room then I'd rather just have a real office space instead, especially as an employer.

Re: Swiss companies must pay share of rent for employees working from home

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What cost? If anything the employee now saves time and money from the commute alone.

That not true for everyone. I live a 1.6 mile walk/run to work so my commute is 35 min a day and free.

That's 35min a day you don't have to spend. That's 2.5 hours a week.

Re: Swiss companies must pay share of rent for employees working from home

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Canada has a tax break for those that work from home: https://www.canada.ca/en/revenue-agency/services/tax/individ...

The USA does too, but the trouble is it has to be exclusively used for working from home- so you can't have a guest room you use as an office most of the time, which is particularly tricky in cities. I wonder if that'll change in the future with more WFH.

Re: Swiss companies must pay share of rent for employees working from home

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A trend that started already in a lot of companies a couple of years ago and will only be accelerated by Covid. Many places do overbook desks in offices right now and have flex-tables without fixed assigned workers. Seems fair to think about compensating employees for the costs that are being pushed to their side.

What cost? If anything the employee now saves time and money from the commute alone.

Highspeed broadband internet, personal devices that may be used for work including phone line/data, webcam etc.
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