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MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by konart »

the_af wrote: post #945
konart wrote: post #937

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The fact I can install Steam and play an AAA like Mad Max or Shadow of Mordor mostly seamlessly makes me wonder why people still claim Linux on the desktop is a no-go. Because they and few others are exceptions? Can you play the latest CoD? GTA V? Assasin's Creed maybe?

I think you're missing the point. I'm not arguing that Linux is the best platform if your use case is primarily gaming . Nothing beats Windows -- or a console! -- if gaming is the most important thing to you. > GTA V? I honestly don't know, but it wouldn't surprise me if I could using WINE. A huge library of Windows AAA games work on WINE. > Assasin's Creed I don't know, but Mad Max and Shadow of Mordor are pretty mu…

My questions were mostly rhetorical.

My point is that you can't run most AAA games actually, and many of those you can - will give you enough problems (like frame drop or some graphical features unavailable).

And I really don't understand what's the point of being able to run some games. I want to play the games I'm interested in, not the ones that 'are playable'.

>I don't know, but Mad Max and Shadow of Mordor are pretty much the same kind of game as Assassin's Creed, following the same kind of gameplay and using the same kind and complexity of 3D graphics/engine.

No sure what's your point here. You can't replace one with another just because they have similar mechanics.

Steam\GoG has many games that run on linux and macos (by the way), but most of them are indie platformers or things like that. People don't play random games just to kill some time (well, some do), they play TITLES.

> I forgot to mention

more exceptions. They will stop being exceptions when you will be able to run 80% of titles without any issues and not sooner than that.

Gaming is not important to be, I'm a PS4 guy ever since macos switch, just pointing out that games are still has little to do with linux unless we are talking about rare AAA titles and indie scene

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by saagarjha »

varenc wrote: post #853
saagarjha wrote: post #842

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Enabling private logging is fairly annoying these days, unfortunately. (Interestingly, if macOS thinks you're AppleInternal, it will make it just as annoying to disable private logging…)

wait a sec...I recognize that name. I only know how to enable private logging thanks to your detailed and informative blog post! Seriously, it's one of the favorite macOS things I've read in a while. I loved the step by step walk through using gdb you showed. Though just today I saw that apparently an enterprise policy config can enable private logging in 10.15.3+ without having to disable SIP. https://georgegarside.…

I’m glad you appreciated it, but I think it also happened to be some of the fastest-to-deteriorate advice I’ve given :) I should go back and revisit this, as on my system I have it currently stuck in a state where it unconditionally enables private data logging at boot (which mean my crash logs have personal information in them unless I remember to turn it off with the workaround I’ve been using until now…)

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by saagarjha »

Yetanfou wrote: post #873
saagarjha wrote: post #865

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I’m familiar with macOS and contribute to a number of FOSS projects from it. I’m less productive on other platforms.

In that case you'd do both yourself and those who depend on you for your contributions a favour by taking some of that time to get acquainted with alternative platforms seeing as how Apple seems to be on a course which will make it harder and harder to use their platform for this purpose. Like the Boy Scouts (used to) say, "Be Prepared!". Install a (few) Linux/BSD distribution(s) in a VM and try using those for a whi…

I do use Linux for some of my work, especially when I’m working with ELF binaries. Just not a comfortable with it.

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by saagarjha »

userbinator wrote: post #934
pjmlp wrote: post #813

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Not at all, you are always free to buy computers, phones and tablets from other vendor. Don't go buy Apple and then cry in the corner that you aren't getting the right set of toys to play with. I use Apple devices and fully support don't having random app uploading my stuff into the world.

When they force their proprietary standards on everyone else... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23250831

Apple was the first major HEIC adopter, but it’s not really something proprietary they came up with: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Efficiency_Image_File_For...

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by saagarjha »

make3 wrote: post #924
xenadu02 wrote: post #103

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Xcode (the UI) is able to bypass GateKeeper checks for things it builds. The "Developer Tool" pane in System Prefs, Security, Privacy is the same power. Drag anything into that list you'd like to grant the same privilege (such as xcodebuild). This is inherited by child processes as well. The point of this is to avoid malware packing bits of Xcode with itself and silently compiling itself on the target machine, thus b…

How do I get a "Developer Tool" pane in System Prefs? Do I have to install X-Code? I would really rather not

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23278629

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by saagarjha »

acecilia wrote: post #904
xenadu02 wrote: post #103

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Xcode (the UI) is able to bypass GateKeeper checks for things it builds. The "Developer Tool" pane in System Prefs, Security, Privacy is the same power. Drag anything into that list you'd like to grant the same privilege (such as xcodebuild). This is inherited by child processes as well. The point of this is to avoid malware packing bits of Xcode with itself and silently compiling itself on the target machine, thus b…

Can you advise on how to make the "Developer Tool" panel in "System Prefs, Security, Privacy" appear if it is not present? Cant find a way: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/60176405/macos-catalina-...

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23278629

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by yariik »

rurban wrote: post #757
usmannk wrote: post #484

It seems like there is a lot of confusion here as to whether this is real or not. I've been able to confirm the behavior in the post by: - Using a new, random executable. Even echo $rand_int will work. Edit: What I mean here is generate your rand int beforehand and statically include it in your script. - Using a fresh filename too. Just throw a rand int at the end there. e.g. /tmp/test4329.sh I MITMd myself while rec…

It's called lockdown for a reason. Apple was just the very first to implement centralized binary blacklisting, revocation. They call it notarization. Problem is, that they did it unannounced. There must be really some weird stuff going on in those managers heads. How can they possibly think to go away with that?

> Problem is, that they did it unannounced.

No, the entire thing is the problem. Windows 10 can still open applications that were compiled in 1994, and it doesn't make it less secure.

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by philwelch »

marcinzm wrote: post #885
philwelch wrote: post #11

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Switch to Linux then.

The other thread reply on this topic notes the reasons Linux is not considered a viable desktop replacement for many people. Personally I'd need to run a VM for a bunch of software or fight Wine. That's assuming my machine has the right hardware support for everything and even then the trackpad support is likely to not be great.

shrug I’m not gonna play a game of “why don’t you”/“yes but”.

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by kasabali »

sub7 wrote: post #890

Just switch to Windows and WSL. For most cases, it works just great/not noticeably slower. There's a lot of bullshit on Windows too but nothing near OSX levels of wannabe big brother shit. Can't think of a better long term short right now in the market than Apple (and sister cult Tesla but the electric story is at least in the early days so they may do ok)

Windows has SmartScreen and MAPS (which was previously called "SpyNet") turned on by default, on top of telemetry level that goes to eleven and cannot be turned off in consumer editions.

They're not implemented in a braindead way that's being discussed here but they're at the same level big brotherness-wise, if not worse.

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by tsar9x »

Myrmornis wrote: post #348
halotrope wrote: post #97

I am using Ubuntu 20.04 on a Thinkpad X1 Extreme Gen2 and you would be surprised how "normal" it feels as a development machine. Sure there some little annoyances, the touchpad behaves a little worse than on windows, sound is a little worse. But the most important things, Keyboard and Screen are excellent. The system in general does not feel like the horror stories that people keep telling about linux on desktop(note…

I would love to switch back to Linux but Apple's Retina displays are absolutely beautiful and there is no way I could enjoy going back to anything with noticeably lower pixel density on a laptop. I'd like to be told I'm wrong, but as far as I know it's not really possible to recreate a comparable high pixel density experience under Linux on a laptop.

Well, it is. However it's much easier with resolutions perfect for 2x scaling, so 4k on 15" XPS works great. As for fractional scaling (needed for 4k on 14/13") it's still kinda work in progress, I think it will be ready when chromium on wayland finally lands (I expect at least 1 more year). If you don't use electron/chrome, you can use it right now.

Obviously you can use less elegant solutions like changing fonts but it won't work with multiple displays with different resolutions.

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