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MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by Filligree »

nottorp wrote: post #870
pjmlp wrote: post #812

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Developers who use macOS as shiny GNU/Linux replacement are only getting what they deserve, they should have supported Linux OEMs to start with. Those that show up at FOSDEM, carrying their beloved macBooks and iPads while pretending to be into FOSS. I use Apple devices knowingly what they are for, not as replacement for something else.

Sadly it's not the "shiny"... it's the fact that Mac OS has a GUI that works. Been using linux since the days you installed Slackware from floppies and recompiled your kernel to get drivers. Command line has always been a bliss, but no one has managed to come up with an usable and consistent GUI yet. Btw does sleep work on linux laptops these days? How's hi dpi support?

Sleep usually works, assuming you get a laptop that's known to with with Linux. The arch wiki is good for this.

HiDPI is hit and miss. Some applications work, some (especially Java) break badly. Expect to need manual, fragile configuration. You also cannot set scaling per-screen, so you're SOL if you have heterogenous monitors.

Personally I use Windows. I check back in Linux every few months, but WSL seems to be improving far faster than native Linux is, so there's not much reason to use it anymore.

Even once HiDPI works, assuming that happens, by that point I'll have HDR and VRR as requirements... and I have no confidence that those will work anytime soon.

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by 1123581321 »

cjsawyer wrote: post #372
blyry wrote: post #111

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I switched to a linux desktop full time last week because of this exact problem. VPN w/ windows would flake out on me all the time, and I got sooo tired of just...waiting. Remember when windows search worked? Like, you could press the windows key, type what you were looking for and find it? Quickly? Being able to turn the computer on, type in my password and have it be just..ready is so incredibly refreshing. Having…

Windows search turning into bing search is one of the most frustrating little things. You used to be able to instantly pull up files by name but now it just dumps you random garbage from the internet.

It’s still really fast if you disable Cortana and Internet search results. I launch most programs by hitting the windows key, a few characters and enter.

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by make3 »

kevinh456 wrote: post #793
rurban wrote: post #757

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It's called lockdown for a reason. Apple was just the very first to implement centralized binary blacklisting, revocation. They call it notarization. Problem is, that they did it unannounced. There must be really some weird stuff going on in those managers heads. How can they possibly think to go away with that?

There was nothing "unannounced" about it. Notarization was introduced at WWDC 2018 and announced as required at WWDC 2019. Every macOS developer should have been aware of this requirement. It was a special project for my apps.

developer who uses MacOS != MacOS developer. I couldn't care less about what is announced at WWDC

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by make3 »

xenadu02 wrote: post #103
davidvartan wrote: post #5

> a degraded user experience, as the first time a user runs a new executable, Apple delays execution while waiting for a reply from their server. The way to avoid this behavior is to staple the notarization ticket to your bundle (or dmg/pkg), i.e. "/usr/bin/stapler staple ." Otherwise, Gatekeeper will fetch the ticket and staple it for the user on the first run. (I'm the author of xcnotary [1], a tool to make notariz…

Xcode (the UI) is able to bypass GateKeeper checks for things it builds. The "Developer Tool" pane in System Prefs, Security, Privacy is the same power. Drag anything into that list you'd like to grant the same privilege (such as xcodebuild). This is inherited by child processes as well. The point of this is to avoid malware packing bits of Xcode with itself and silently compiling itself on the target machine, thus b…

How do I get a "Developer Tool" pane in System Prefs? Do I have to install X-Code? I would really rather not

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by catalogia »

dmitriid wrote: post #826
catalogia wrote: post #183

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If an icecream shop only has one flavor, I might get lucky and discover it's the flavor I like. But more likely, I'll just be screwed and have to settle for something I don't like. Only an icecream shop with variety can hope to give the most amount of people an optimal experience.

Unless the ice cream shop provides you with hundreds of flavours, 90% of which are nearly indistinguishable from each other. And hardly anyone on this planet can answer a straight question of "Which flavour is good".

If they're 90% indistinguishable, how is that distinguishable from an icecream shop that simply has fewer flavors?

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by komali2 »

nottorp wrote: post #870
pjmlp wrote: post #812

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Developers who use macOS as shiny GNU/Linux replacement are only getting what they deserve, they should have supported Linux OEMs to start with. Those that show up at FOSDEM, carrying their beloved macBooks and iPads while pretending to be into FOSS. I use Apple devices knowingly what they are for, not as replacement for something else.

Sadly it's not the "shiny"... it's the fact that Mac OS has a GUI that works. Been using linux since the days you installed Slackware from floppies and recompiled your kernel to get drivers. Command line has always been a bliss, but no one has managed to come up with an usable and consistent GUI yet. Btw does sleep work on linux laptops these days? How's hi dpi support?

> Btw does sleep work on linux laptops these days? How's hi dpi support?

Both work out of the box with Ubuntu 18.04 running Gnome on a Thinkpad x1 carbon.

But having to flip a few switches is a funny excuse to handcuff yourself to OSX and the hardware required to run it.

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by PopeRigby »

Just did a test using the command the author listed. Benchmarked on ArchLinux and got 0.00s. I then did the same test on MacBook Pro and got 0.332s. I feel like that's pretty bad. 0.332s might sound inconsequential, but that's just for a single echo command. I would imagine it gets exponentially worse as your executable grows in complexity.

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by paddlesteamer »

Nextgrid wrote: post #29
leephillips wrote: post #12

This is completely insane. I am so glad I decided years ago to leave closed operating systems behind. This design seems to cement the trend at Apple to position their products as consumer appliances, not platforms useful for development.

> I am so glad I decided years ago to leave closed operating systems behind. The problem is, there's nothing else out there. Everything is going to shit in one way or another. Windows is now a disaster, Linux was always a disaster in terms of user experience and isn't improving. Mac OS was the last bastion of somewhat good, thoughtful design, user experience and attention to detail and now they've gone to shit too.

I hate bloated OSs and unfortunately Mac OS is one of them. I know how everyone wants everything to work out of the box and I know it's very natural to want so but I cringe if I find out my OS doing something behind my back. That's why I'd never use Windows, Mac OS, Ubuntu, etc. They all violate my privacy and slow my system to do so.

I use Debian, I like Debian. When I run Wireshark I don't see unknown requests destined to debian.com. That is the definition of simplicity for me. And yes, it doesn't always work out of the box, you have to install some drivers, change configurations but it's getting better and easier. Yet, I'm a software developer so I understand and like that stuff.

> Linux was always a disaster in terms of user experience and isn't improving.

No, you can't define it as a disaster, it's not. If you're an end-user that understands nothing of computers maybe you can but otherwise it's not a disaster. It's just harder and getting easier by day.

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by jfkebwjsbx »

pmarreck wrote: post #899
jfkebwjsbx wrote: post #725

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> the standard Mac laptop There is nothing standard about a Mac laptop, both technically and in market share.

Well, I'd say 90% of the computers I've seen at the last 10 confs I've attended were Macbook Pros https://hackernoon.com/why-do-developers-run-macs-9ad81d58d1...

Look outside the US.
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