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Unable to deal with Chrome Extension Team, Kozmos is shutting down

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Re: Unable to deal with Chrome Extension Team, Kozmos is shutting down

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What, precisely, is the cost?

Lazy web devs that only test in Chrome and maybe safari that constantly break things in other browsers. I don't mind sending the angry support email and using chrome for a single task here and there but others might.

I never used Chrome and never encountered a website that didn't work on Firefox. I think this concern is a bit overblown.

Re: Unable to deal with Chrome Extension Team, Kozmos is shutting down

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Hi, I currently use Azure which has strict lines between organisation tenancies/domains/accounts and personal ones. This means I know that my liability is limited to my business. Can you assure me that if I move to GCP, have a VM get infected and you ban my GCP account, my personal account will never get banned too? Or that of my next employer? Because I keep reading about that happening...

Well, in general - would you use your personal email account for work? So for example - say I have a personal Gmail account (e.g. cute-boy-88@gmail.com) But if I was working for a company that had spun up GCP infrastructure - my work would likely provide me with a work email address (e.g. trevor.jacobs@bankofengland.co.uk) - which I would use, rather than cute-boy-88@gmail.com. This also covers the use-case that for…

No, of course I wouldn't, but my understanding is that Google (unlike any other company I know) will "pierce the corporate veil" and ban people not accounts. It's not hard to correlate accounts, my chrome is logged into both my personal and work accounts. My computer has a unique ip address. My phone has both accounts logged in as users.

Is that enough for the ban to follow through and hit both?

Re: Unable to deal with Chrome Extension Team, Kozmos is shutting down

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The only main Google service I still used was Gmail (and occasionally search when DDG doesn't return something immediately useful). I'd seen comments about Fastmail over the years, but moving seemed like it would be a hassle. With more at home pandemic time I decided to just do it and have been super impressed. The Fastmail docs are really good, setting up DNS to use my custom domain had explicit steps and pictures f…

What is a truly private European based alternative to Fastmail? Other than Proton ail.

I like

https://www.migadu.com/en/index.html

You pay based on traffic rather than per account/domain.

Re: Unable to deal with Chrome Extension Team, Kozmos is shutting down

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And its one of the reasons people should stop using google products, or it will get worse. I am 99% on DuckDuckGo and other search engines, Firefox (which is great), Lots of mail providers these days which excel on every front, lots devtools that don’t need any Google infrastructure, I really hope one of these days we get a message from Google (btw Google is really the most faceless organization out there, I really n…

Yup, DuckDuckGo's been my default browser search engine for quite some time now. I'm quite happy with the results. I'm reaching out to google.com less and less every day. The last straw will be abandoning Gmail :)

I’ve been looking at Office 365 this weekend as an alternative to my (single person) GSuite account. I’m actually pretty impressed. It feels much more polished than than Google’s software (to me, anyway). Teams also looks like a good slack alternative, I’ve already got good use out of OneNote, and all the Mac desktop software launches very quickly (definitely not the MS Office I remember!).

I think I may actually migrate all my email over today. The idea of having a different interface to GMail is pretty exciting. I’ve been staring at that (increasingly slow) interface for too long.

20 years ago I certainly wouldn’t have imagined myself doing this, but it actually seems like decent software now. Sure I need to jump into bed with MS, but that doesn’t bother me nearly as much as Google.

Re: Unable to deal with Chrome Extension Team, Kozmos is shutting down

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> Dealing with Google these days seems a lot like dealing with an authoritarian government. It's more like dealing with a blind automaton, and that's becoming more common outside of Google, too. Automation support scales well because the fixed costs are high but the marginal cost is low, human attention scales poorly, with a high marginal cost.

To a first approximation authoritarian bureaucracies are blind automatons too.

To a first, and second, and third approximation, bureaucracies are distributed computing systems; procedures, laws and bylaws are code, bureaucrats are the computing units. A lot of "fat" in bureaucracy comes with dealing with the fact that the computing units are buggy, unreliable, and sometimes actively malicious.

Re: Unable to deal with Chrome Extension Team, Kozmos is shutting down

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The worst outcome of the iPhone is the general move of programmers from people who write software for a platform the user fully controls to people who write software for a platform controlled by a company that the user borrows a device from.

Yeah, everyone's known that platform dependence is risky, and every decade or so we "learn our lesson" but then forget the moment the next cool platform comes along if it has enough users.

Developers go where the money goes. The money goes where the users go. The users don't know the difference between a walled garden and a free ecosystem.

Re: Unable to deal with Chrome Extension Team, Kozmos is shutting down

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The other explanation is that they don't really want users to have most browser extensions. The browser extensions either become features that google wants to embed in the browser, or things they don't want, for business reasons. In either case it is better if the extension dies after a year or so. BTW, this doesn't have to be a conscious choice of anyone at Google, it could just be the way the incentives turn out.

User friendly features are only incentivized in a competitive environment. Until Firefox or Edge catches up in both performance and implementation compatibility to make Chrome-first sites work, extension support isn't incentivized

Chrome-first is a fancy way of saying not compliant with standards. Much like UE back in the day.

Re: Unable to deal with Chrome Extension Team, Kozmos is shutting down

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Hi, I currently use Azure which has strict lines between organisation tenancies/domains/accounts and personal ones. This means I know that my liability is limited to my business. Can you assure me that if I move to GCP, have a VM get infected and you ban my GCP account, my personal account will never get banned too? Or that of my next employer? Because I keep reading about that happening...

Well, in general - would you use your personal email account for work? So for example - say I have a personal Gmail account (e.g. cute-boy-88@gmail.com) But if I was working for a company that had spun up GCP infrastructure - my work would likely provide me with a work email address (e.g. trevor.jacobs@bankofengland.co.uk) - which I would use, rather than cute-boy-88@gmail.com. This also covers the use-case that for…

If you sign into multiple google accounts in the same browser window, then those accounts are linked behind the scenes. You do not have to explicitly link them together. There are plenty of stories on reddit of devs whose company accounts got into trouble because their personal account was in trouble.

Re: Unable to deal with Chrome Extension Team, Kozmos is shutting down

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I keep seeing these things pop up on here and I am starting to get the sense that the Chrome team at Google feels it is too big to fail. They don't seem to care about fixing their system, but once developers leave to your competitor you're in trouble. Just look at Windows Phone, pretty solid OS had some nice features that Android and iOS didn't but at the end of the day no developers really wanted to make apps for it so it died a slow death.

With the new Edge supporting Chrome Extensions, I wonder if some of these devs are going to move their extensions over to that or do like Kosmos and just move on to some other project that is outside the reach of Google.

All in all it is sad to see Kosmos go, I used it back in 2017 and really liked it. I didn't make the jump to the paid version but it was a well put together extension and solved a problem I think many users have.

Re: Unable to deal with Chrome Extension Team, Kozmos is shutting down

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I had the same reaction. But then the individual programmer/founder won't risk their robot messing this up, while for google it's a numbers game. Also, someone would have to program that bot and can you even imagine how dead inside you'd feel if that was your life?

Using AI to suggest a reply or to use human approval seems like a low risk approach. Would you feel dead inside if your tool helped developers keep their projects online? Sounds rewarding to fight the big guy and keep cool projects online.

I am opposed to any job that I feel shouldn't (need to) exist
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