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Re: Unable to deal with Chrome Extension Team, Kozmos is shutting down

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Post by SanchoPanda »

ensignavenger wrote: post #117
SanchoPanda wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the parents comment's argument is that since it's based on chromium it also can eventually be forced to acquiesce, so any chromium-based browser is just a stop gap solution.

Chromium is Open Source, Google can t force Brave or MS or anyone else to do anything they don't want to. Google can make their life difficult, leading to a fork, but they can't force anything beyond that. With all that said- I still prefer Firefox and think it is the best choice right now for the Web.

The difference in scale of effort and money/time of being downstream vs a fork makes it at least possible that they would do no such thing. I personally think it would be extremely unlikely they would fork it.

Re: Unable to deal with Chrome Extension Team, Kozmos is shutting down

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Post by Dayshine »

victorhooi wrote: post #232
Drdrdrq wrote: post #180

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It does? Haven't used it yet and have no near future plans to change that. As long as there's a single account, the support of each part of Google matters, because it could cause your account to be closed.

GCP most certainly does have support engineers available! https://cloud.google.com/support There's a variety of different tiers to suit your required level of support, and some products (e.g. G Suite) come with free in-built support. (I work as part of Google Cloud support organisation).

Hi, I currently use Azure which has strict lines between organisation tenancies/domains/accounts and personal ones. This means I know that my liability is limited to my business.

Can you assure me that if I move to GCP, have a VM get infected and you ban my GCP account, my personal account will never get banned too? Or that of my next employer? Because I keep reading about that happening...

Re: Unable to deal with Chrome Extension Team, Kozmos is shutting down

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Post by aendruk »

lonelappde wrote: post #206
tdeck wrote: post #3

> Google (Robot): We'll take your extension down Me: Hey, this must be a mistake > Google (Robot): No mistake, review these policies, your extension violates one of them Me: It does not violate any of them, this is a mistake! > Google (Finally human): Oh, sorry, a mistake. Obviously someone just needs to create a robot that automatically replies to the takedown notices and disputes them, thus closing the loop!

Step 3 doesn't happen usually. If it did, no one would be upset.

Happened to me twice. Still upset.

Re: Unable to deal with Chrome Extension Team, Kozmos is shutting down

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Post by znpy »

pvg wrote: post #330
alias_neo wrote: post #311

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I'm all for enforcing strong privacy rules, in fact, I stopped using PB very quickly after trying it for the first time, because of the _feeling_ of a lack of privacy/security it gave me (based on no actual evidence), so I'm not defending PB. That said, calling Google heavy handed is an understatement, and there have been several cases which have made it clear that kicking up a fuss online and being big enough to get…

I didn't call it 'heavy handed'. I'm just correcting your assertion that PB didn't have unnecessary and overly-broad permissions. This is in their writeup.

This might be okay as long as you give clear and specific points to correct.

But Google just said "you're asking too much permissions". After the first fixes the extension got rejected again, without explanation.

Re: Unable to deal with Chrome Extension Team, Kozmos is shutting down

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Post by otterley »

chmod775 wrote: post #253
neya wrote: post #225

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In the links you've shared, I thought the author (Azer) was on the right to behave the way he did. I don't see it as a reason to discount his current experience because of that either.

They would have no case if they actually tried to go after him to "defend" their trademark. His mail was just empty threats. You can't just trademark 3 letters in a way so that nobody else can use them. In fact there's hundreds of trademarks that are the letters "kik" in various logos[1]. What they trademarked is a bunch of specific logos containing those letters. Doesn't prevent other people from also using those 3…

BP, BMW, and GE (among countless others) disagree and would be happy to haul you into court to prove to you that you are wrong if you misuse their trademarks.

It's easy to be an armchair HN lawyer when you have no skin in the game.

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Post by labster »

mschuster91 wrote: post #342
o10449366 wrote: post #254

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Google must be an awesome place to work as an engineer because apparently you just generally don't have to worry about deprecating your products/services or interacting with your customers. Amazon is notorious for their oncall and stubbornness when it comes to sunsetting services. Everyone I know that works there hates the burden that comes with being "customer obsessed." I never hear any complaints like that from th…

Amazon is good if you are the customer . If you are a vendor, you're as fucked as if you'd use Paypal, the horror stories about automated systems booting people off of Amazon with no way to reach a human that can override the decision are rampant.

Amazon is good if you are the customer, right up until they use the data they collected from your product to launch their own competing service.

Re: Unable to deal with Chrome Extension Team, Kozmos is shutting down

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Post by acituan »

scottrice wrote: post #318
stevenjohns wrote: post #264

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It seems that lots of people are missing that part. The Kik guys were doing their corporate double-speak b/s about ‘let’s find a solution’ when the only solution is handing over the name. All while threatening with door-banging lawyers. And he did offer them a solution: $30,000 dollars, to which they promptly - albeit indirectly - replied with fuck you .

With regards to the trademark issue: > and we’d have no choice but to do all that because you have to enforce trademarks or you lose them. They aren't threatening him for the fun of it, this is classic trademark stuff. Also the "solution" he offered them was: > Yeah, you can buy it for $30.000 for the hassle of giving up with my pet project for bunch of corporate dicks Would _you_ give this guy $30,000, after he call…

> but Azer was super unprofessional and nasty during those interactions

Does he even have to be “professional“? Even though two of the parties involved happen to be corporations, he owes no allegiance to them and the exchange does not take place in a corporate context. I mean, we are talking about corporate overreach, why should we be assessing his words by corporate standards? “Professional” usually means “don’t show emotions and suck up the abuse”. I’m glad he was both showing his protest and standing up to the overreach.

Re: Unable to deal with Chrome Extension Team, Kozmos is shutting down

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Post by znpy »

geza wrote: post #157

I definitely feel for the author - the Chrome Extension team has been growing increasingly developer-hostile recently. My own open-source extension HabitLab ( https://habitlab.stanford.edu/ ) that I've been maintaining for the past 3 years is going to be removed in 2 days (got a 14-day removal notice for permissions even though all permissions it requests are used and needed, and every update I try to submit is rejec…

It's time to switch to Firefox and advocate for Firefox usage.

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Post by viach »

geza wrote: post #157

I definitely feel for the author - the Chrome Extension team has been growing increasingly developer-hostile recently. My own open-source extension HabitLab ( https://habitlab.stanford.edu/ ) that I've been maintaining for the past 3 years is going to be removed in 2 days (got a 14-day removal notice for permissions even though all permissions it requests are used and needed, and every update I try to submit is rejec…

> Some anonymized data will be sent to Stanford for research purposes. See our privacy policy for details.

Maybe this text on your front page is triggering someone at Google extensions department?

Re: Unable to deal with Chrome Extension Team, Kozmos is shutting down

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Post by anchpop »

Thorrez wrote: post #336
stefan_ wrote: post #331

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This trademark thing must be the next biggest popular HN misunderstanding after the whole "act in the shareholders interest" debacle.

Could you explain the trademark misunderstanding in a bit more detail?

According to GitHub [0]:

> Using another's trademark in a way that has nothing to do with the product or service for which the trademark was granted is not a trademark policy violation.

Many people think that if you have a trademark, you have to sue everyone who uses your name no matter what capacity they're using it in, which doesn't seem to be the case. If their usage is unrelated to yours, you have no authority to prevent them from using it however they want.

There are some exceptions to this, like the American Red Cross's logo of a red cross on a white background (nobody is allowed to use this except the red cross in any context, although it isn't always enforced) [1].

[0]: https://help.github.com/en/github/site-policy/github-tradema...

[1]: https://www.bradley.com/insights/publications/2012/04/one-cr...

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