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Unable to deal with Chrome Extension Team, Kozmos is shutting down

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Re: Unable to deal with Chrome Extension Team, Kozmos is shutting down

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Post by roadbeats »

vosper wrote: post #55
Awelton wrote: post #38

Maybe someday everyone will realize that google isn't a company that provides services to users, it's a data theft company. They don't really care about bugs or frustrations because they aren't in the business of providing things to you. You are not their customer. The vast majority of people have forgotten that they aren't an email, webapp, cloud storage, or online translation provider. They are an advertising compa…

> they aren't an email, webapp, cloud storage, or online translation provider. But they are: all of these are paid services Google offers. Presumably if you pay you get a different level/kind of support?

Developers who publish Chrome Extensions also pay for them. I paid $5 initial fee twice for publishing Kozmos extension. In return, I can't even see a contact information to reach out about a bad review made.

Re: Unable to deal with Chrome Extension Team, Kozmos is shutting down

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Post by jjoonathan »

Hello71 wrote: post #66
jjoonathan wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gaslighting is the worst. It's getting more common, too. Just the other day I found out that posting links in a youtube comment makes the comment invisible to everyone else. In hindsight, disallowing links is almost certainly a good policy and it's easy to understand and appreciate why it was put in place, but why the gaslighting? Just pop up a box explaining that links aren't allowed. The gaslighting isn't going to…

gaslighting doesn't mean hiding.

Hiding = post is invisible to you and everyone else

Gaslighting = post is visible to you, and unbeknownst to you, invisible to everyone else

Re: Unable to deal with Chrome Extension Team, Kozmos is shutting down

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Post by tomaszs »

I like that the author called automated answer system of Google Chrome extensions what it is. And it is bullying indeed. It is yet another raport about misbehaviour of this company torwards developers. Why in earth we should accept corporation bullying developers when we set up policies in communities for everyone to feel safe? There is no place for double standards. I hope the author will support the free internet by providing services outside the closed ecosystem of Google

Re: Unable to deal with Chrome Extension Team, Kozmos is shutting down

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Post by crystaln »

jjoonathan wrote: post #53
gdulli wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just created a Google Voice account for the first time. A few hours later I asked 3 different friends to send me a text message to see if it worked. I didn't get any of them or any warning that it takes time for the number to activate. I tried again the next day, same results. That was 4-5 days ago, and still nothing. I'm abandoning Google Voice because I assume Google has abandoned it. It's not like there's anyone…

Gaslighting is the worst. It's getting more common, too. Just the other day I found out that posting links in a youtube comment makes the comment invisible to everyone else. In hindsight, disallowing links is almost certainly a good policy and it's easy to understand and appreciate why it was put in place, but why the gaslighting? Just pop up a box explaining that links aren't allowed. The gaslighting isn't going to…

Shadow banning is a form of gaslighting because users expect their comments to be seen and responded to, however they are invisible. This is confusing and an abusive practice.

I have had hn accounts shadowbanned without explanation or opportunity for appeal (I did try and was ignored) and largely stopped participating here because of that.

Re: Unable to deal with Chrome Extension Team, Kozmos is shutting down

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Post by sneak »

downerending wrote: post #89
Guzba wrote: post #85

There are people inside Google that must have thought this review and communication process was a Good Idea. It wouldn't have gotten built otherwise. Will these individuals continue to be putting Good Ideas into production indefinitely or is there some sort of immune response inside Google? I have no interest in a scape goat or anything like that, I'm just curious if there's a way to incorporate the real-world conseq…

One thing I've noticed working for a variety of companies is that highly profitable companies generally do not have consequences for even fairly dramatic failures, both in terms of how they treat customers and how they treat employees. They simply have too much money, so there's little need to do so. In a tiny company, a large failure can easily be the end of the company, so they're far more motivated to care about t…

Relevant: https://rachelbythebay.com/w/2020/05/23/gap/

This story is about infra, but it applies just as much for product.

Re: Unable to deal with Chrome Extension Team, Kozmos is shutting down

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Post by ensignavenger »

SanchoPanda wrote: post #88
luckylion wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But it's not chrome, hence not controlled by Google, and not bound by their policies regarding what extensions you may or may not install.

I think the parents comment's argument is that since it's based on chromium it also can eventually be forced to acquiesce, so any chromium-based browser is just a stop gap solution.

Chromium is Open Source, Google can t force Brave or MS or anyone else to do anything they don't want to. Google can make their life difficult, leading to a fork, but they can't force anything beyond that.

With all that said- I still prefer Firefox and think it is the best choice right now for the Web.

Re: Unable to deal with Chrome Extension Team, Kozmos is shutting down

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Post by jjoonathan »

paulryanrogers wrote: post #75
jjoonathan wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gaslighting is the worst. It's getting more common, too. Just the other day I found out that posting links in a youtube comment makes the comment invisible to everyone else. In hindsight, disallowing links is almost certainly a good policy and it's easy to understand and appreciate why it was put in place, but why the gaslighting? Just pop up a box explaining that links aren't allowed. The gaslighting isn't going to…

I think the term is shadow banning

Shadow banning, hellbanning, slowbanning, error banning -- it all falls under the umbrella of gaslighting in my book.

Re: Unable to deal with Chrome Extension Team, Kozmos is shutting down

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Post by crummy »

nyreed wrote: post #24

Do you remember when browser extensions could be installed from a developer's own website and didn't require any kind of dysfunctional 'gatekeeping'? I know there are benefits to having someone vet browser extensions, but it seems a shame that they remove the self-distribution option completely when their moderation is so ineffectual.

Not saying it wasn't a better time, but I do remember the era of half a dozen IE toolbars installed on folks' computers doing God knows what.
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