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Unable to deal with Chrome Extension Team, Kozmos is shutting down

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Re: Unable to deal with Chrome Extension Team, Kozmos is shutting down

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Post by lowiqengineer »

microcolonel wrote: post #48
monadic2 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really think this is unreasonable. Even at google there are different subcultures, including many with an anti-corporate streak. Furthermore I’m not going to blame an employee for not sticking out their neck for client businesses who also don’t give a shit about them. This isn’t a problem of individual providence. Google needs a damn union just to get some reason in the building.

> Google needs a damn union just to get some reason in the building. The problem is not mainly with how Google treats their employees (though there's definitely something wrong there), but with how they treat their customers.

Its true - they believe themselves to be so damn smart they behave with rank condescension towards everyone else as the "top 1% of intelligence".

Re: Unable to deal with Chrome Extension Team, Kozmos is shutting down

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Post by fiddlerwoaroof »

The worst outcome of the iPhone is the general move of programmers from people who write software for a platform the user fully controls to people who write software for a platform controlled by a company that the user borrows a device from.

Re: Unable to deal with Chrome Extension Team, Kozmos is shutting down

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Post by aboringusername »

5h wrote: post #23
aboringusername wrote: post #11

One thing I've noticed is that there are a lot of automated decision making going on. In [1], the ICO offers guidance around what the GDPR says in regards to this subject. What I don't understand is why the GDPR doesn't enforce the following: 1: Clear and concise information about the action being taken, and clear identification this was done using automation and did not involve any human oversight. 2: A process the…

Literally the first sentence of the GDPR: This Regulation lays down rules relating to the protection of natural persons with regard to the processing of personal data and rules relating to the free movement of personal data. No snark, this situation sucks, but after dealing with GDPR for a while it's not well understood in tech societies

I think what's needed is case studies or case law. A ruling in a court that becomes a "model" as to which the GDPR is applied.

People look at historic court cases which defines future societal behavior (like acceptance of Gay marriage in some places).

It'll take time but get there eventually, and then we'll see changes based on that.

Re: Unable to deal with Chrome Extension Team, Kozmos is shutting down

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Post by paulryanrogers »

jjoonathan wrote: post #53
gdulli wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just created a Google Voice account for the first time. A few hours later I asked 3 different friends to send me a text message to see if it worked. I didn't get any of them or any warning that it takes time for the number to activate. I tried again the next day, same results. That was 4-5 days ago, and still nothing. I'm abandoning Google Voice because I assume Google has abandoned it. It's not like there's anyone…

Gaslighting is the worst. It's getting more common, too. Just the other day I found out that posting links in a youtube comment makes the comment invisible to everyone else. In hindsight, disallowing links is almost certainly a good policy and it's easy to understand and appreciate why it was put in place, but why the gaslighting? Just pop up a box explaining that links aren't allowed. The gaslighting isn't going to…

I think the term is shadow banning

Re: Unable to deal with Chrome Extension Team, Kozmos is shutting down

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Post by dvfjsdhgfv »

The worst part of the so called modern Google experience for me is that somehow mediocrity seems to be accepted as good enough. Quality human work has been replaced by software that is far from perfect. The worst part: others try to emulate that, "because Google is doing that." But Google is a Behemoth that can afford not caring. Moreover, since they know they can't be search leaders forever, they really can't afford not diversifying and not experimenting with all possible services, trying to see which one sticks and which could be monetized. So I expect it's going to be much worse in the future.

Re: Unable to deal with Chrome Extension Team, Kozmos is shutting down

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Post by cft »

fortran77 wrote: post #49
monadic2 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really think this is unreasonable. Even at google there are different subcultures, including many with an anti-corporate streak. Furthermore I’m not going to blame an employee for not sticking out their neck for client businesses who also don’t give a shit about them. This isn’t a problem of individual providence. Google needs a damn union just to get some reason in the building.

Nobody who get a Google paycheck has a sincere "anti-corporate" streak.

An anecdote: I was running my bootstraped company with 5 employees when in 2013 I suddenly started getting Google recruiting emails about once every 4 days. They wanted me for a "role" of a SRE, probably because I asked stack overflow sysadmin questions. I never responded.

Re: Unable to deal with Chrome Extension Team, Kozmos is shutting down

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Post by gonehome »

aboringusername wrote: post #60
Awelton wrote: post #38

Maybe someday everyone will realize that google isn't a company that provides services to users, it's a data theft company. They don't really care about bugs or frustrations because they aren't in the business of providing things to you. You are not their customer. The vast majority of people have forgotten that they aren't an email, webapp, cloud storage, or online translation provider. They are an advertising compa…

Thing is, the value proposition proposed by "the cloud", whomever that may be (MS/Google/Apple et al), is quite the temptation. Seriously, I am slowly and surely de-googling, such as storing all data locally (if I need offsite, I use encrypted backups). My calendar now uses caldav on a raspberry pi, my home network uses ethernet for fast data flow to a portable drive and I am using a web browser for many applications…

The only main Google service I still used was Gmail (and occasionally search when DDG doesn't return something immediately useful). I'd seen comments about Fastmail over the years, but moving seemed like it would be a hassle.

With more at home pandemic time I decided to just do it and have been super impressed. The Fastmail docs are really good, setting up DNS to use my custom domain had explicit steps and pictures for my specific provider (gandi.net) along with a ton of others.

They have super easy to setup import from Gmail to get things over initially and to keep things coming as you convert accounts.

They have really good instructions for all IMAP clients and it's been painless to set those up.

I did have to spend a day going through every account in 1Password and changing emails, but the super simple aliases you can setup in Fastmail make this great. I have a bunch of different ones for different types of sites (some very specific, some general catch-alls) on my domain which I can now blacklist in the future if I need to.

The main issue is that you realize a lot of sites are just terrible, many don't let you change your email at all and require contacting support. Some don't even let you change after contacting support (postmates just says to 'create a new account under your new email and abandon the old one').

In general though I'm happy I did it and the Fastmail site has been pretty impressive. I like paying for software I think is high quality and valuable (where the business and customer have aligned incentives).

Re: Unable to deal with Chrome Extension Team, Kozmos is shutting down

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Post by dvfjsdhgfv »

joshuamorton wrote: post #68
begemotz wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

are you suggesting that if you paid, then they would not trade in your data?

I'd go further and suggest that some of those services don't trade in your data even at the free tier.

I guess you might be right. For example, here is a semi-official answer on how Google makes money out of Google Docs:

https://www.quora.com/Does-Google-Docs-and-Drive-generate-an...

It's not unlikely that in this case they use the more traditional business model of having the free tier do the marketing for the premium option.

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